How will the “big bill” affect you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This bill is going to greatly accelerate proverty and crime by gutting the social safety nets. The numbers they are cutting cannot be obtainted through fraud and waste. The yahoos celebrating now are going to be sorry. They won't be safe even in their nice gate homes from this terrible Trump catastrophe of a bill. Or if they are poor yahoos, their financial world is about to be ended.

Well, according to several posters here, poverty is self-made, so that’s impossible. They don’t care what legislation passes because some people can still pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they can, apparently everyone in America can no matter their circumstances. They need to stop drinking lattes. 🙄

And I guess if you get cancer or your kid gets sick, you should have somehow budgeted millions of dollars so you should or your kid should just die.

You're pretending people will necessarily have no health care under the bill, which is a falsehood. Many people will still qualify for Medicaid which is not going away, eligibility rules are simply tightening. Individuals who are disabled will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are indigent can still qualify for Medicaid. Some low-income aged people will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are neither indigent nor disabled can still buy health insurance if they don't receive it through employment; they'll just have to compensate by spending less elsewhere in their budgets. If they don't want to prioritize health insurance over other spending, that's up to them. People over 65 will still qualify for Medicare, assuming they paid in to the system.

Some people who were able to work but chose not to will no longer be covered. Their choice.

But, it's mere fear-mongering to claim that nobody will qualify for government support for health insurance any more.

You have never dealt with this system then.

My dusabkwd DS's benefits have been stopped more than once by the faulty, clunky IT "upgrades" they have installed.

It takes two ivy leaugue educated parents and their congressional reps staff to get it all sorted out.

Unintentional technology hiccups are irrelevant to policy changes in the law, and don't affect whether or not you are supposed to receive benefits or nice. But nice anecdote, even if off in left field.

You have your head in the sand.

These cuts will generate an earthquake into healthcare in this country. It won't be pretty.

You won't be immune from it.

I will be immune. I have saved enough to pay for my healthcare, by prioritizing it. Anyone could have done that if they wanted to.

Those on Medicaid will still mostly still be on Medicaid, and receiving health care that way. The exceptions will be people who 1) don't want to work but could, and 2) those who could pay for their own health insurance but don't want to because they are prioritizing other discretionary expenses.

You will get cancer.
You will lose protection on pre-existing conditions.
You won't be able to get health insurance (see above) even though you so loftily saved for your premiums.
Catastrophic visits to the hospital puts you into deep debt.
You die.

(make it so)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This bill is going to greatly accelerate proverty and crime by gutting the social safety nets. The numbers they are cutting cannot be obtainted through fraud and waste. The yahoos celebrating now are going to be sorry. They won't be safe even in their nice gate homes from this terrible Trump catastrophe of a bill. Or if they are poor yahoos, their financial world is about to be ended.

Well, according to several posters here, poverty is self-made, so that’s impossible. They don’t care what legislation passes because some people can still pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they can, apparently everyone in America can no matter their circumstances. They need to stop drinking lattes. 🙄

And I guess if you get cancer or your kid gets sick, you should have somehow budgeted millions of dollars so you should or your kid should just die.

You're pretending people will necessarily have no health care under the bill, which is a falsehood. Many people will still qualify for Medicaid which is not going away, eligibility rules are simply tightening. Individuals who are disabled will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are indigent can still qualify for Medicaid. Some low-income aged people will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are neither indigent nor disabled can still buy health insurance if they don't receive it through employment; they'll just have to compensate by spending less elsewhere in their budgets. If they don't want to prioritize health insurance over other spending, that's up to them. People over 65 will still qualify for Medicare, assuming they paid in to the system.

Some people who were able to work but chose not to will no longer be covered. Their choice.

But, it's mere fear-mongering to claim that nobody will qualify for government support for health insurance any more.

You have never dealt with this system then.

My dusabkwd DS's benefits have been stopped more than once by the faulty, clunky IT "upgrades" they have installed.

It takes two ivy leaugue educated parents and their congressional reps staff to get it all sorted out.

Unintentional technology hiccups are irrelevant to policy changes in the law, and don't affect whether or not you are supposed to receive benefits or nice. But nice anecdote, even if off in left field.

You have your head in the sand.

These cuts will generate an earthquake into healthcare in this country. It won't be pretty.

You won't be immune from it.

I will be immune. I have saved enough to pay for my healthcare, by prioritizing it. Anyone could have done that if they wanted to.

Those on Medicaid will still mostly still be on Medicaid, and receiving health care that way. The exceptions will be people who 1) don't want to work but could, and 2) those who could pay for their own health insurance but don't want to because they are prioritizing other discretionary expenses.

How could you have saved for your health care costs when there isn't even a way to assess what the cost of a cancer diagnoses would be? Or lupus? Or a car accident where you are are crushed and suffer a TBI? Yes, you can reasonably budget for well visits and regular teeth cleanings, but there is no way to save for the other. You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

So you’re for 60 yo’s working in fields picking strawberries. While their disabled son is home all day unclean and un-fed. We got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

BS
BS
BS

You didn’t read it.
You didn’t read Project 2025

Why don’t you send your white children to work in factories or pick food???

I can not wait for you to lose your house and your DD be married and cast away after she can no longer breed .

[Anonymous]

It affects everyone negatively but billionaires
All tax credits expire
Preexisting conditions will be gone
Men head of households project 2025
Overtime lol learn math maga same with tax on tips you idiots
Can not wait for Hurricanes to hit red states it will be glorious

Come on down MAGA we need your white sons in house fields and your baby girls to breed

If you think
Republicans ever pass one thing that helps you your ignorance is astronomical.

Republicans have been in charge of Ted stares now for over 30 years. Most have terrible education and services but people like Rick Scott , Paxton, DeSantis, Hawley ,Jordan can raise your daughters, pay for abortions, steal your hard earned monies a and you bite them in again, that’s genius

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This bill is going to greatly accelerate proverty and crime by gutting the social safety nets. The numbers they are cutting cannot be obtainted through fraud and waste. The yahoos celebrating now are going to be sorry. They won't be safe even in their nice gate homes from this terrible Trump catastrophe of a bill. Or if they are poor yahoos, their financial world is about to be ended.

Well, according to several posters here, poverty is self-made, so that’s impossible. They don’t care what legislation passes because some people can still pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they can, apparently everyone in America can no matter their circumstances. They need to stop drinking lattes. 🙄

And I guess if you get cancer or your kid gets sick, you should have somehow budgeted millions of dollars so you should or your kid should just die.

You're pretending people will necessarily have no health care under the bill, which is a falsehood. Many people will still qualify for Medicaid which is not going away, eligibility rules are simply tightening. Individuals who are disabled will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are indigent can still qualify for Medicaid. Some low-income aged people will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are neither indigent nor disabled can still buy health insurance if they don't receive it through employment; they'll just have to compensate by spending less elsewhere in their budgets. If they don't want to prioritize health insurance over other spending, that's up to them. People over 65 will still qualify for Medicare, assuming they paid in to the system.

Some people who were able to work but chose not to will no longer be covered. Their choice.

But, it's mere fear-mongering to claim that nobody will qualify for government support for health insurance any more.

You have never dealt with this system then.

My dusabkwd DS's benefits have been stopped more than once by the faulty, clunky IT "upgrades" they have installed.

It takes two ivy leaugue educated parents and their congressional reps staff to get it all sorted out.

Unintentional technology hiccups are irrelevant to policy changes in the law, and don't affect whether or not you are supposed to receive benefits or nice. But nice anecdote, even if off in left field.

You have your head in the sand.

These cuts will generate an earthquake into healthcare in this country. It won't be pretty.

You won't be immune from it.

I will be immune. I have saved enough to pay for my healthcare, by prioritizing it. Anyone could have done that if they wanted to.

Those on Medicaid will still mostly still be on Medicaid, and receiving health care that way. The exceptions will be people who 1) don't want to work but could, and 2) those who could pay for their own health insurance but don't want to because they are prioritizing other discretionary expenses.

How could you have saved for your health care costs when there isn't even a way to assess what the cost of a cancer diagnoses would be? Or lupus? Or a car accident where you are are crushed and suffer a TBI? Yes, you can reasonably budget for well visits and regular teeth cleanings, but there is no way to save for the other. You are delusional.

You insure against unlikely but potentially catastrophic events. The health insurance I have caps my maximum annual out-of-pocket expenses at a level i can afford. I have savings to deal with amount below that.

Similarly, Medicaid caps out-of-pocket expenses for enrollees, although the rules and limits vary from state to state. Generally, premiums, cost-sharing, copayments, and coinsurance cannot exceed more than 5% of a family's income.

The hysteria around the tightening of eligibility rules for Medicaid is almost comical, as much as it is uninformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

BS
BS
BS

You didn’t read it.
You didn’t read Project 2025

Racist much?

Why don’t you send your white children to work in factories or pick food???

I can not wait for you to lose your house and your DD be married and cast away after she can no longer breed .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

So you’re for 60 yo’s working in fields picking strawberries. While their disabled son is home all day unclean and un-fed. We got it.

Sure, that's a probable scenario. Show us how, with reference to the relevant provisions in the bill? Here's a clue - disabled people still will receive benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

What defines "truly deserving?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This bill is going to greatly accelerate proverty and crime by gutting the social safety nets. The numbers they are cutting cannot be obtainted through fraud and waste. The yahoos celebrating now are going to be sorry. They won't be safe even in their nice gate homes from this terrible Trump catastrophe of a bill. Or if they are poor yahoos, their financial world is about to be ended.

Well, according to several posters here, poverty is self-made, so that’s impossible. They don’t care what legislation passes because some people can still pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If they can, apparently everyone in America can no matter their circumstances. They need to stop drinking lattes. 🙄

And I guess if you get cancer or your kid gets sick, you should have somehow budgeted millions of dollars so you should or your kid should just die.

You're pretending people will necessarily have no health care under the bill, which is a falsehood. Many people will still qualify for Medicaid which is not going away, eligibility rules are simply tightening. Individuals who are disabled will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are indigent can still qualify for Medicaid. Some low-income aged people will still qualify for Medicaid. People who are neither indigent nor disabled can still buy health insurance if they don't receive it through employment; they'll just have to compensate by spending less elsewhere in their budgets. If they don't want to prioritize health insurance over other spending, that's up to them. People over 65 will still qualify for Medicare, assuming they paid in to the system.

Some people who were able to work but chose not to will no longer be covered. Their choice.

But, it's mere fear-mongering to claim that nobody will qualify for government support for health insurance any more.

You have never dealt with this system then.

My dusabkwd DS's benefits have been stopped more than once by the faulty, clunky IT "upgrades" they have installed.

It takes two ivy leaugue educated parents and their congressional reps staff to get it all sorted out.

Unintentional technology hiccups are irrelevant to policy changes in the law, and don't affect whether or not you are supposed to receive benefits or nice. But nice anecdote, even if off in left field.

You have your head in the sand.

These cuts will generate an earthquake into healthcare in this country. It won't be pretty.

You won't be immune from it.

I will be immune. I have saved enough to pay for my healthcare, by prioritizing it. Anyone could have done that if they wanted to.

Those on Medicaid will still mostly still be on Medicaid, and receiving health care that way. The exceptions will be people who 1) don't want to work but could, and 2) those who could pay for their own health insurance but don't want to because they are prioritizing other discretionary expenses.

How could you have saved for your health care costs when there isn't even a way to assess what the cost of a cancer diagnoses would be? Or lupus? Or a car accident where you are are crushed and suffer a TBI? Yes, you can reasonably budget for well visits and regular teeth cleanings, but there is no way to save for the other. You are delusional.

You insure against unlikely but potentially catastrophic events. The health insurance I have caps my maximum annual out-of-pocket expenses at a level i can afford. I have savings to deal with amount below that.

Similarly, Medicaid caps out-of-pocket expenses for enrollees, although the rules and limits vary from state to state. Generally, premiums, cost-sharing, copayments, and coinsurance cannot exceed more than 5% of a family's income.

The hysteria around the tightening of eligibility rules for Medicaid is almost comical, as much as it is uninformed.

Wait for increased premiums, doctor unavailability, job loss, recession, stagflation, etc. You can’t always pick yourself up, and nothing is guaranteed. You’re not guaranteed to out-of-pocket caps. Do you think if it wasn’t regulated it would exist? You’re not guaranteed to clean water or well-trained doctors either. Everything we have is because we worked for it. We chose our values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You sound like a right wing PR bot, lol

No, I just understand the actual provisions in the bill, which will not create a dystopian wasteland populated with deserving but cruelly cast aside hard-working people.

The truly deserving will still receive government support. Others will be required to work for their benefits or to start paying for them because they can but in the past have preferred instead to spend their money elsewhere because government subsidies made such choices possible.

So you’re for 60 yo’s working in fields picking strawberries. While their disabled son is home all day unclean and un-fed. We got it.

Sure, that's a probable scenario. Show us how, with reference to the relevant provisions in the bill? Here's a clue - disabled people still will receive benefits.

They literally said people over 55 need to work, but they didn’t address ageism. Many people who aren’t working are caretakers. Just because a disabled adult child has healthcare doesn’t mean they have 8-5pm FT care, so it was provided by…a person who wasn’t working.

[Anonymous]

I’m pretty sure we are classified as ultra high net worth and this bill sickens me. The Medicaid and SNAP cuts are disgraceful and adding $3 trillion to our debt is simply kicking the debt can down the road onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.

[Anonymous]

WHEN WILL DONALD TRUMP'S
"BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL"
GO INTO EFFECT?
July 4
• Trillions in new tax giveaways for the wealthy and corporations begin. This helps you how maga???
• Expanded SNAP work requirements begin
2025
November 1
ACA open enrollment begins with new, higher premiums. Great MAGA morons now health care costs more and preexisting conditions will be removed.
December 31
Clean energy and energy efficiency tax credits end
2027
July 1
New student loan borrowers hit with higher monthly payments. No more college for whites middle and lower income yay !!
2026
November 3
Midterm elections
January 1
• New paperwork requirements for Medicaid begin
• National private school voucher program begins
October 1
States squeezed to pick up more
Medicaid and
SNAP costs
July 1
Many current studen loan borrowers force to switch to plan witl higher payments
2028