How will the “big bill” affect you?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.

False. Hospital emergency rooms cannot refuse emergency care, by law. No other health provider is required to provide any type of care to anyone.

Be real, they do all the time or do the absolute minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

He and the republicans said they'd do this. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Your anecdote isn’t the norm, despite your rationalization. At all. Kids the same age. Please read in major news outlets about college grads not getting jobs, their unemployment rate is significantly higher. Know adults looking for a year. Shut it!

I know adults who have been looking for a year too. For professional jobs. I don’t know of anyone looking for a part time position that hasn’t found one. And quickly. There are completely different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

The government does a fine job if not a perfect job. There is always room for improvement, but there will be no improvement the more it is defunded. So it is a self-fulfulling prophecy.

The patchwork of charities and nonprofits that fills the gaps (or tries to) will never have the same impact.

I get that it is ideological to them, but vulnerable people need and want help. They aren't there to make people feel good and virtuous for 'helping' them. I think about the woman in my community who runs a small charity that supports families with kids with cancer. She is constantly posting pics of herself visiting them in the hospital and asking for money for the org. I mean that is great and all but then she turns around and supports Republican policies. To my mind she cares about the personal fulfillment of her actions than actual effective policy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

The government does a fine job if not a perfect job. There is always room for improvement, but there will be no improvement the more it is defunded. So it is a self-fulfulling prophecy.

The patchwork of charities and nonprofits that fills the gaps (or tries to) will never have the same impact.

I get that it is ideological to them, but vulnerable people need and want help. They aren't there to make people feel good and virtuous for 'helping' them. I think about the woman in my community who runs a small charity that supports families with kids with cancer. She is constantly posting pics of herself visiting them in the hospital and asking for money for the org. I mean that is great and all but then she turns around and supports Republican policies. To my mind she cares about the personal fulfillment of her actions than actual effective policy.

^ the virtue signalling works both ways

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

The government does a fine job if not a perfect job. There is always room for improvement, but there will be no improvement the more it is defunded. So it is a self-fulfulling prophecy.

The patchwork of charities and nonprofits that fills the gaps (or tries to) will never have the same impact.

I get that it is ideological to them, but vulnerable people need and want help. They aren't there to make people feel good and virtuous for 'helping' them. I think about the woman in my community who runs a small charity that supports families with kids with cancer. She is constantly posting pics of herself visiting them in the hospital and asking for money for the org. I mean that is great and all but then she turns around and supports Republican policies. To my mind she cares about the personal fulfillment of her actions than actual effective policy.

I’m the PP and these are my neighbors and I agree with you. But they aren’t cruel or ghouls and they put a lot of time, money and effort into helping people with no corresponding social media posting. It weirds me out but they say that’s God’s plan.

As they work closely with disadvantaged communities, I doubt they completely agree with the changes.

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Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.

How does this bill define disability and who has to work to receive $$? I work in a field that assists many disabled adults in group homes. Medicaid and SSi pays for a lot of this- aides, specialty medical items, and health care. No, they cannot go to work. Many are developmentally and cognitively impaired in so many ways. They are 21 to age 75. What will happen to them?

Nearest living relative will be forced to care for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol

We were at our neighbors house last weekend and talked about this. They are Christian and voted for Trump. We aren’t and didn’t. They don’t like everything he’s doing.

I would say they do care. They are heavily involved with helping people and are in a big organization of like minded people who help people. They put their money where their mouth is both literally and figuratively. They did express that they don’t believe that the government does a good job of helping people and we all should be helping people.

I disagree that all people who voted for Trump are ghouls or cruel or are morally bankrupt.

Ghouls, morally bankrupt, and/or stupid. Those are the choices.

[Anonymous]

With the cuts to the tax incentives for new energies there will be job losses. Many of us are from the oil and gas industry and switched to new energies when our jobs moved to India. Don't worry though, the large companies will continue to take our natural resources, pollute, and get tax benefits for oil and gas - all done with Indian labor so the US doesn't get one iota of benefits. Can we start taxing large oil companies? Many of which aren't even American - BP, Equinor, Shell, Total, Valero, etc.... I wouldn't be opposed to Exxon, Chevron, Marathon, etc also paying taxes.

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I thought the Medicaid work requirements only applied to the expansion population and not across the board. Is that not correct?

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Anonymous wrote:We might lose Medicaid.

Then what happens? Do you have to go to the ER for treatment?

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The student loan section will gut me.

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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.

Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.

Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.

Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.

Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/

+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.

Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.

Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.

Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.

Congress took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, which they aren’t. The President is flagrantly ignoring court orders. Marines are violating posse comitatus. The SecDef is running around violating every known standard of operational security. The entire administration is breaking laws by using their positions in government to enrich themselves.

But do go on about how regular people have to follow norms and rules.