Antizionism is not antisemitism/the current conflict

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I also believe that "that ship has sailed" regarding who has a right to what in Israel. However, I find the existence and growth of the settlements in the West Bank to be very very problematic, and then there's of course, Gaza. Most of us understand that Israel needs to take care of its security threats but let the borders be and treat the Palestinians more humanely.

Why would they treat Palestinians more humanely now when they haven't done so for almost a century? The only pushback they've gotten from committing a genocide is just some stern warnings. There's no reason to change behavior.

I think it is disingenuous to present Palestinians as victims. They have had a long history of attacking Israel. Some of those terrorist attacks were brutal. This is the problem, the back and forth. I’m one of those people who believes there will never be peace between these two factions. There is too much history.

Would you say the same about the Holocaust? The Palestinians were forced from their lands and made refuges. Now Israel is implementing the final solution on the Palestinians.

If Israel had made a a reasonable deal 40 years ago Palestinians and Jews would be living in Israel as equals citizens. This is all on the Israeli. Israel killed more Palestinians year to date in 2023 vs the number of Jews killed in Israel in Oct7.

Saying it is both side is ridiculous

Is it your impression that 40 years ago, what Palestinians wanted was to live in Israel as equal citizens? Because that is absolutely incorrect. They wanted the whole land, free of Jews.

Can you name a single Muslim-majority country in the world (there are approximately 50) where Jews live as equal citizens? Why do you think Palestinians of all people would prove the exception? They harbor a deep genocidal hatred toward Jews/Israelis - and I’m taking the vast majority of Palestinian civilians, not just their governments.

[Anonymous]

The Mizrahis are the original jews from Israel correct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is that it’s so far back in history. Jews always lived in Israel, but not all Jews. Are all Jews living in present day Israel 100% Israeli? Because otherwise it’s like a person who has a small percentage of native American blood claiming they would have the same rights as a 100% Native American, if they were to reclaim their land from us.

Idk what you mean by 100% Israeli. 78% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel and have never called any other country home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Mizrahis are the original jews from Israel correct?

All Jews trace their lineage back to Israel at some point in their history. It’s where the Old Testament, the basis of their whole religion, took place. Mizrahi Jews have more recent middle eastern ancestry, though (one generation or less).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is that it’s so far back in history. Jews always lived in Israel, but not all Jews. Are all Jews living in present day Israel 100% Israeli? Because otherwise it’s like a person who has a small percentage of native American blood claiming they would have the same rights as a 100% Native American, if they were to reclaim their land from us.

Idk what you mean by 100% Israeli. 78% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel and have never called any other country home.

If the argument is who has rights to the land, then everyone in Israel/Palestine should be DNA tested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Who initiated the kicking out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

If the argument is over who the land belongs to then yes, this is fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

If the argument is over who the land belongs to then yes, this is fair.

So you support your own deportation from the US, right? Or is Land Back something you care about just when Jews are involved? Btw a dna test will largely support Jews staying in Israel, but not you staying in the US.

[Anonymous]

I can’t just go claim land in Brno, CZ because I had relatives from there and not even that long ago, less than 100 years ago. Fair is fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

If the argument is over who the land belongs to then yes, this is fair.

So you support your own deportation from the US, right? Or is Land Back something you care about just when Jews are involved? Btw a dna test will largely support Jews staying in Israel, but not you staying in the US.

No you are misunderstanding me. We are discussing why antizionism may exist. It’s like me claiming land in Europe belongs to me because my relatives immigrated from there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

If the argument is over who the land belongs to then yes, this is fair.

LMFAO ok. This is pretty indicative of the level of discourse on the Palestinian side. Well-meaning westerners think it’s a noble struggle for indigenous rights when in reality it’s just blood and soil nationalism.

People who advocate for this kind of thing clearly do not want a pluralistic, multi-ethnic democracy like the United States or Israel. They want YET ANOTHER corrupt, despotic Arab ethnostate, built on apartheid and oppression of minorities. In other words, everything Israel’s enemies falsely accuse Israel of being.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If everyone planned on moving to one’s country of origin from 1000-2000 years ago, what a mess that would be. Is everyone living in Israel pure 100% Israeli? Like the Native Americans are here?

Huh? You are confusing this metaphor. Palestinian activists typically claim they are the true indigenous people of the land (like the Native Americans here). They claim that (like the USA), Israelis stole their land and kicked them out. Even accepting for argument’s sake that they are right, no American would tolerate Navajo nationalists blowing up buses and kidnapping civilians in Tucson in an effort to reclaim Arizona.

Ok so a simple dna test would prove who has ties to the land and who does not. If one has minimal to no ties they have no right kicking people off the land. Yes things like this have been done historically by the US, hundreds of years ago.

Ok cool so to be clear, your proposed solution is to DNA test every Israeli/American, and deport all those you consider to have insufficient middle eastern/Native American DNA. Sounds like a great, very non-eugenics-y plan!

If the argument is over who the land belongs to then yes, this is fair.

So you support your own deportation from the US, right? Or is Land Back something you care about just when Jews are involved? Btw a dna test will largely support Jews staying in Israel, but not you staying in the US.

No you are misunderstanding me. We are discussing why antizionism may exist. It’s like me claiming land in Europe belongs to me because my relatives immigrated from there.

I think you are misunderstanding yourself and not following your own argument to its end.