NYT article on men struggling with their place in society
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Anonymous
China has a population decline problem, soon enough we will need to make our own stuff again. Outsourcing gives temporary boost to profit but has long term social “costs”. But rich UMC women are blind to that, as long as they are better than men. 🤷♀️ |
Anonymous
I do not work in a field like this (I work in legal, where white men are still very dominant) but my DH does (engineering). He's towards the end of his career, it doesn't affect him, but he sees how it affects others. But it's also complicated in ways that don't fit the narratives pushed either by progressives or MAGA. Like in some instances, non-white people are being hired because they are genuinely more qualified -- there are certain corners of engineering where US universities don't turn out enough people with specified knowledge, so is common to hire a lot from foreign universities, especially in Africa, that are focused on these specializations. At the same time, sometimes candidates are preferences for DEI reasons, but that specific candidate is actually very privileged. You see this with international candidates a lot -- many we from very wealthy families, attended exclusively private schools, have family in powerful positions, but they will be considered a DEI hire because of the color scheme f their skin. It's easy to see why that engenders resentment among people who may have middle or working class backgrounds, no industry connections, just worked hard at school and borrowed money to attend Sometimes the quest for diversity actually leads to better candidates. Other times it gives you the image of a diverse workplace but is actually reinforcing inequality. Most DEI programs in the US are not doing a ton to address the impact of systemic racism on groups in US -- black people impacted by slavery and Jim Crow, Native Americans, etc. |
Anonymous
I don't think you understand what "handed" means. Do you think those onlyfans are just getting $$ from society? It's men who CHOOSE to pay them. I think your comment just further proves how men expect society to give them things, without putting forth the effort. And that they shouldn't be called out for their own inaction or choices (like choosing to pay onlyfans girls). |
Anonymous
| Give me a break. Men run every aspect of our government. There has never been a woman President, men are and always have been the majority in Congress and the Supreme Court. The majority of Governors and State legislators are men. The majority of CEOs are men. Again, give me a break. |
Anonymous
Lol Yoga? |
Anonymous
This comment is weird. Most yoga studios are super crunchy and would happily hire a South Asian woman with lifelong experience and cultural ties to the practice over a bubbly blonde lady. The bubbly blonde ladies mostly teach pilates, Barre, or orange theory type classes, you don't find as many of them teaching yoga, which is not a "bubbly" discipline. There are white women teaching yoga, but as a veteran of many yoga studios, there does not appear to be any preference for them over WOC, and especially not a South Asian woman with a cultural connection to the practice. My impression is that there are a lot of white women teaching yoga because there are a lot of white women taking yoga. I also remember the conversation around "white women's tears" after George Floyd snd I do think it was useful. I know it made me think about whether and how I might use vulnerability to escape responsibility. It's worth discussing. But I also remember how rapidly the conversation about how white women benefit from white supremacy, and how they can do better, was rapidly coopted by white men who gleefully started calling white women they found too loud, middle aged, and unappealing "Karens" and started using that conversation to silence white women who have valid perspectives or who have been hurt or discriminated against. It became another way to silence and ignore women. Conveniently, as the MeToo movement had been gaining steam. |
Anonymous
You think yoga requires expertise? 😆 |
Anonymous
Oh, you again. |
Anonymous
Well the south East Asian women are in med school, they don’t want to teach yoga, at least not in the form of how US practices yoga. |
Anonymous
Fwiw, I don't think it was men who coopted and started calling white women Karens. I think that was white women who did that. |
Anonymous
So you disagree? You think those things don’t matter? That was my first post btw. |
Anonymous
+1 Plenty of the actual deal making happens after hours. The previous poster's DD won't be invited. They don't want to have to censor where they go (think lightly clad women.) - saw it all the time in a Fortune 500 company |
Anonymous
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My father-in-law was resentful about having to pay the back taxes on his father’s house for years. His resentment broke up his sibling relationships. He thought it was unfair that the burden was placed on him. His siblings thought he should pay, because he was the only one who had made it “out” and could afford it.
Meanwhile my east-Asian father provided for his entire family for an entire generation with gratitude. He was the only one in his family who had made it “out” and could afford it. He sent every single niece and nephew to college. He said appreciative to be able to do so. I think in general white men struggle, because they have been given their emotional management skills by the generation before them. Yes, some were lucky enough to have emotionally skilled fathers and role models. However the vast majority thought certain feelings were for sissies and the only tool they developed was to block them. The modern world requires collaboration, empathy and complex processing. Trump supporters don’t want that. But if they had it, they would feel better about themselves and do better by others. One last note: by coincidence, by 2005, my father-in-law and father both amassed assets of $4m. My father-in-law, suspicious of the world, proudly kept his in CDs. My father took the advice of his close friend group and invested in business ventures that were brought to him by honest, hard-working people. 20 years later, my father-in-law still has $4m. My father has $22m. |
Anonymous
That’s not referencing theMcKinsey study. But, I’m sure nothing will stop you from discriminating in hiring. |
Anonymous
+1 |