When do Cogat scores come back?

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Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

How do you know it doesn’t impact chances? I’ve seen somewhere that in pool acceptance rate is roughly 2/3 while out pool is 1/3. I am unable to provide any sources so who knows how much of this is true, but if it is wouldn’t that mean better chance of app when in pool?

This has been discussed quite a bit on this forum. Just having the label "in-pool" does not matter. However, what does matter is that this means the child's COGAT and NNAT scores are high. The AAP committee will look at the whole package, and having high COGAT/NNAT scores will be a point in their favor for sure.

Sure, although surely the committee is aware of the kind of prepping that goes on in some corners and for those with near perfect scores they might more critically evaluate the whole packet. But that's just arm-chair speculation.

I think that's true for packages that show big gaps between nnat/cogat and other criteria (HOPE, iready, score card). I also think it's odd that people think of prepping in a negative light. From my point of view, prepping means the parents are more involved and invested in the kids education. It's not like they cheat or anything during those tests. Plus, kids are prepped on all kinds of tests in school, starting with SOL in 3rd garde.

It's not odd at all and we probably don't need to rehash this conversation as it's well trodden territory in this forum. There are parents who essentially sign their kids up for courses to prepare for the CogAT. As in many, many hours of instruction and practice led by outside individuals on how to ace the test. This isn't the same as getting a book and helping the child get familiar with the test format. And FCPS is well aware, hence the increasingly "holistic" process intended to address the inequity this presents.

This really is not the norm. We live in McLean and most parents probably get a cogat book off amazon and take a few practice tests. This is not going to move a 100 kid to 140.

Yes, I didn't even know there were courses for CogAT prep, but I have purchased books and other tools, and I don't see any problem with that. We live in a low SES area but are not in a URM group. I guess that "helps" my kid because the in pool cutoffs could be lower. Given the poor quality of education in gen ed, who wouldn't try to get their children the best possible education the family can afford?

I also don't see a problem with that, and I'm not trying to imply that this level of prep is a widespread norm, but there is a substantial group of parents that do a lot more than go through a few practice books. Look up Sunshine Academy. They even do i-ready prep. Here are more details to show there clearly is a demand for this as they have multiple saturday sections:

"All 2nd graders in Fairfax County will take the CogAT(FxAT) test in the coming fall. To ensure our students are ready for the test, we will offer CogAT(FxAT) prep classes for 2nd graders. These classes will be held on Saturdays at Thoreau Middle School (2505 Cedar Ln, Vienna, VA 22180).

All of our materials are carefully tailored to fit your children’s needs. The Sunshine Academy curriculum is unique, enhanced with full length color practice tests, and has been proven to help students perform well on the CogAT(FxAT) test. Many students have achieved perfect scores on the test.

Throughout theCogAT(FxAT) prep classes, students will take 5 full-length color practice tests that encompass all of the tested concepts. The objective of these practice tests is to familiarize our students with sample questions they will face on test day, along with the format of the tests, including the symbols used and the number of questions in each test area.

The schedule is as follows:

Saturday

9:00am—11:00am

11:00am-1:00pm

2:00pm-4:00pm

4:00pm—6:00pm

September

7, 14, 21, 28

October

5

The first Saturday class will start on September 7th and each class will last for 2 hours."

I have 3 kids. We are Asian American. Don’t know anyone who takes a cogat class. Mathnasium, kumon, piano lessons, weekend language, yes. You would really have to prioritize this cogat class over other everyday swim, soccer, violin, etc.

Your anecdote of 1 doesn't mean very much. You have time and other resources to support your children in other ways. Others take a more direct approach. Fwiw, this academy is like 90% Asian parents. It's a summer school + these other "add on" opportunities, with the ultimate prize being admittance to the Ivy League.

DH and I are ivy educated and we also have a goal of getting our kids into a top university. What I’m telling you is that most Asian Americans will do other activities over this. My kids have done chess, Science Olympiad, debate, etc. They don’t need to take a class to score 99th percentile. All 3 of my kids have scored 99th percentile.

I agree with this. Sunshine usually tends to draw the socioeconomically depressed Asians in the area--parents are owners of drycleaners, restaurants, etc. It's not something that two upwardly mobile, Ivy or Ivy+ educated, professional Asian parents send their kids to. It's not RSM or Kumon. And while it boasts amazing rates, etc., it's just not brand you want to invest in for your kids.

It's not RSM or Kumon... and these are not upwardly mobile Ivy+ educated parents...right, not the kind of Asians you would associate with. You sound insufferable and I truly hope you are not representative of the parents of children in AAP.

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it was in the folder

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The inconsistency of cogat score delivery is killing me😭 the usps scan shows nothing from fcps is being delivered today. I guess I will keep refreshing parentvue then

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I see it on our informed delivery, so I guess we’ll get it this afternoon. But it kills me that they haven’t uploaded the scores, just seems so inefficient!

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For Shrevewood parents (since I know many are following) -- scores were mailed and should be arriving today (Friday) in your mailbox. Good luck!

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Still nothing over here in McLean. The inconsistency and inefficiency of FCPS is maddening.

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Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of cogat score delivery is killing me😭 the usps scan shows nothing from fcps is being delivered today. I guess I will keep refreshing parentvue then

+1 I am not sure why they would do it this way. If the notices can go out at once, why not the scores too?

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Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of cogat score delivery is killing me😭 the usps scan shows nothing from fcps is being delivered today. I guess I will keep refreshing parentvue then

+1 I am not sure why they would do it this way. If the notices can go out at once, why not the scores too?

Each school requires its own calculation. This seems much more effort to get out than a test that every second grader took.

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Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

How do you know it doesn’t impact chances? I’ve seen somewhere that in pool acceptance rate is roughly 2/3 while out pool is 1/3. I am unable to provide any sources so who knows how much of this is true, but if it is wouldn’t that mean better chance of app when in pool?

This has been discussed quite a bit on this forum. Just having the label "in-pool" does not matter. However, what does matter is that this means the child's COGAT and NNAT scores are high. The AAP committee will look at the whole package, and having high COGAT/NNAT scores will be a point in their favor for sure.

Sure, although surely the committee is aware of the kind of prepping that goes on in some corners and for those with near perfect scores they might more critically evaluate the whole packet. But that's just arm-chair speculation.

I think that's true for packages that show big gaps between nnat/cogat and other criteria (HOPE, iready, score card). I also think it's odd that people think of prepping in a negative light. From my point of view, prepping means the parents are more involved and invested in the kids education. It's not like they cheat or anything during those tests. Plus, kids are prepped on all kinds of tests in school, starting with SOL in 3rd garde.

It's not odd at all and we probably don't need to rehash this conversation as it's well trodden territory in this forum. There are parents who essentially sign their kids up for courses to prepare for the CogAT. As in many, many hours of instruction and practice led by outside individuals on how to ace the test. This isn't the same as getting a book and helping the child get familiar with the test format. And FCPS is well aware, hence the increasingly "holistic" process intended to address the inequity this presents.

This really is not the norm. We live in McLean and most parents probably get a cogat book off amazon and take a few practice tests. This is not going to move a 100 kid to 140.

Yes, I didn't even know there were courses for CogAT prep, but I have purchased books and other tools, and I don't see any problem with that. We live in a low SES area but are not in a URM group. I guess that "helps" my kid because the in pool cutoffs could be lower. Given the poor quality of education in gen ed, who wouldn't try to get their children the best possible education the family can afford?

I also don't see a problem with that, and I'm not trying to imply that this level of prep is a widespread norm, but there is a substantial group of parents that do a lot more than go through a few practice books. Look up Sunshine Academy. They even do i-ready prep. Here are more details to show there clearly is a demand for this as they have multiple saturday sections:

"All 2nd graders in Fairfax County will take the CogAT(FxAT) test in the coming fall. To ensure our students are ready for the test, we will offer CogAT(FxAT) prep classes for 2nd graders. These classes will be held on Saturdays at Thoreau Middle School (2505 Cedar Ln, Vienna, VA 22180).

All of our materials are carefully tailored to fit your children’s needs. The Sunshine Academy curriculum is unique, enhanced with full length color practice tests, and has been proven to help students perform well on the CogAT(FxAT) test. Many students have achieved perfect scores on the test.

Throughout theCogAT(FxAT) prep classes, students will take 5 full-length color practice tests that encompass all of the tested concepts. The objective of these practice tests is to familiarize our students with sample questions they will face on test day, along with the format of the tests, including the symbols used and the number of questions in each test area.

The schedule is as follows:

Saturday

9:00am—11:00am

11:00am-1:00pm

2:00pm-4:00pm

4:00pm—6:00pm

September

7, 14, 21, 28

October

5

The first Saturday class will start on September 7th and each class will last for 2 hours."

I have 3 kids. We are Asian American. Don’t know anyone who takes a cogat class. Mathnasium, kumon, piano lessons, weekend language, yes. You would really have to prioritize this cogat class over other everyday swim, soccer, violin, etc.

Your anecdote of 1 doesn't mean very much. You have time and other resources to support your children in other ways. Others take a more direct approach. Fwiw, this academy is like 90% Asian parents. It's a summer school + these other "add on" opportunities, with the ultimate prize being admittance to the Ivy League.

DH and I are ivy educated and we also have a goal of getting our kids into a top university. What I’m telling you is that most Asian Americans will do other activities over this. My kids have done chess, Science Olympiad, debate, etc. They don’t need to take a class to score 99th percentile. All 3 of my kids have scored 99th percentile.

I agree with this. Sunshine usually tends to draw the socioeconomically depressed Asians in the area--parents are owners of drycleaners, restaurants, etc. It's not something that two upwardly mobile, Ivy or Ivy+ educated, professional Asian parents send their kids to. It's not RSM or Kumon. And while it boasts amazing rates, etc., it's just not brand you want to invest in for your kids.

It's not RSM or Kumon... and these are not upwardly mobile Ivy+ educated parents...right, not the kind of Asians you would associate with. You sound insufferable and I truly hope you are not representative of the parents of children in AAP.

There are many racist comments on dcum against Asians that seem to be ok. Other comments get pulled immediately. Asians being accused of cheating, striving, etc are common. We get grouped altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of cogat score delivery is killing me😭 the usps scan shows nothing from fcps is being delivered today. I guess I will keep refreshing parentvue then

+1 I am not sure why they would do it this way. If the notices can go out at once, why not the scores too?

Each school requires its own calculation. This seems much more effort to get out than a test that every second grader took.

Whatever calculation that was necessary to identify in-pool students has been done (which was not done by school anyway) and notifications have gone out already. There is nothing more that needs to be done with the scores except to send them out to parents.

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One of my facebook memories today is a comment that a search to understand what this NNAT thing was online brought up test centers for the NNAT. I was very surprised at this find. We had no clue what the NNAT was or that there was an AAP program, the research was an eye opener for us. Yeah, the test centers are real and there are enough of them that you know that people are using them.

Different schools have different vibes. Ours was not focused on LIV but we were at an immersion program that did not have LLIV. There are very few families whose kids attend outside enrichment. There is an occasional Odyssey of the Mind or math club when there is a parent who really wants to lead one. Many of the kids move into LIV classes in MS and take Algebra 1 in 7th grade and do very well in those classes. But parents are ok with a B in Algebra 1. Most of the kids will end up in AP/IB classes in HS and go to good colleges.

Honestly, I am glad that we landed where we did because I cannot imagine being at a school where kids are worrying about being in AAP or not and stressing about grades and tests in ES. And yes, our kid was one of the rare ones who attended math outside school at his ES, he loves the math competition program at RSM. He enjoys STEM summer camps. His friends think that he is a bit crazy for doing extra math. He thinks it is crazy that his classmates are talking about Geometry in the summer because there are camps and the pool and fun things that you can do.

But yeah, test prep centers for kids to take the NNAT and CoGAT still cause me to scratch my head in confusion. But that is why the tests hold little weight in the process now. Eventually the iReady will hold little weight because people are prepping for the iReadys.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The inconsistency of cogat score delivery is killing me😭 the usps scan shows nothing from fcps is being delivered today. I guess I will keep refreshing parentvue then

+1 I am not sure why they would do it this way. If the notices can go out at once, why not the scores too?

Each school requires its own calculation. This seems much more effort to get out than a test that every second grader took.

Whatever calculation that was necessary to identify in-pool students has been done (which was not done by school anyway) and notifications have gone out already. There is nothing more that needs to be done with the scores except to send them out to parents.

And parents aren't going to be calling the school/harassing the AART about their child's CogAT score (though sub scores might have been good info to have in helping the parents choose appropriate work samples). At this point, it's serving no purpose other than to rile up a bunch of invested parents.

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One would hope they’d be up in SIS today.

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Anonymous wrote:One of my facebook memories today is a comment that a search to understand what this NNAT thing was online brought up test centers for the NNAT. I was very surprised at this find. We had no clue what the NNAT was or that there was an AAP program, the research was an eye opener for us. Yeah, the test centers are real and there are enough of them that you know that people are using them.

Different schools have different vibes. Ours was not focused on LIV but we were at an immersion program that did not have LLIV. There are very few families whose kids attend outside enrichment. There is an occasional Odyssey of the Mind or math club when there is a parent who really wants to lead one. Many of the kids move into LIV classes in MS and take Algebra 1 in 7th grade and do very well in those classes. But parents are ok with a B in Algebra 1. Most of the kids will end up in AP/IB classes in HS and go to good colleges.

Honestly, I am glad that we landed where we did because I cannot imagine being at a school where kids are worrying about being in AAP or not and stressing about grades and tests in ES. And yes, our kid was one of the rare ones who attended math outside school at his ES, he loves the math competition program at RSM. He enjoys STEM summer camps. His friends think that he is a bit crazy for doing extra math. He thinks it is crazy that his classmates are talking about Geometry in the summer because there are camps and the pool and fun things that you can do.

But yeah, test prep centers for kids to take the NNAT and CoGAT still cause me to scratch my head in confusion. But that is why the tests hold little weight in the process now. Eventually the iReady will hold little weight because people are prepping for the iReadys.

I may be naive here, but can you really prep for the iReady and get an inflated score? For example, if a kid doesn't can't do math above grade level, then familiarizing them with the question types at home would ensure that they get grade level problems correct. It would not result in a very high score because the child is maxing out only on grade level math questions. It seems like this would, however, be a truer indicator of where the child is performing because the child wouldn't miss questions covering math concepts that they do understand.

To score high on the iReady, woudn't the parent have to actually teach their child math or hire someone else to teach their kid math? And if so, that's not prepping for the iReady. That's math enrichment at home.

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I saw somewhere that prepping, even extensively, can really only buy you a few points on the CogAT. I say this as someone who thought about it, and did some workbooks at home with my kids.