When do Cogat scores come back?

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Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

How do you know it doesn’t impact chances? I’ve seen somewhere that in pool acceptance rate is roughly 2/3 while out pool is 1/3. I am unable to provide any sources so who knows how much of this is true, but if it is wouldn’t that mean better chance of app when in pool?

This has been discussed quite a bit on this forum. Just having the label "in-pool" does not matter. However, what does matter is that this means the child's COGAT and NNAT scores are high. The AAP committee will look at the whole package, and having high COGAT/NNAT scores will be a point in their favor for sure.

Sure, although surely the committee is aware of the kind of prepping that goes on in some corners and for those with near perfect scores they might more critically evaluate the whole packet. But that's just arm-chair speculation.

I think that's true for packages that show big gaps between nnat/cogat and other criteria (HOPE, iready, score card). I also think it's odd that people think of prepping in a negative light. From my point of view, prepping means the parents are more involved and invested in the kids education. It's not like they cheat or anything during those tests. Plus, kids are prepped on all kinds of tests in school, starting with SOL in 3rd garde.

It's not odd at all and we probably don't need to rehash this conversation as it's well trodden territory in this forum. There are parents who essentially sign their kids up for courses to prepare for the CogAT. As in many, many hours of instruction and practice led by outside individuals on how to ace the test. This isn't the same as getting a book and helping the child get familiar with the test format. And FCPS is well aware, hence the increasingly "holistic" process intended to address the inequity this presents.

This really is not the norm. We live in McLean and most parents probably get a cogat book off amazon and take a few practice tests. This is not going to move a 100 kid to 140.

Yes, I didn't even know there were courses for CogAT prep, but I have purchased books and other tools, and I don't see any problem with that. We live in a low SES area but are not in a URM group. I guess that "helps" my kid because the in pool cutoffs could be lower. Given the poor quality of education in gen ed, who wouldn't try to get their children the best possible education the family can afford?

I also don't see a problem with that, and I'm not trying to imply that this level of prep is a widespread norm, but there is a substantial group of parents that do a lot more than go through a few practice books. Look up Sunshine Academy. They even do i-ready prep. Here are more details to show there clearly is a demand for this as they have multiple saturday sections:

"All 2nd graders in Fairfax County will take the CogAT(FxAT) test in the coming fall. To ensure our students are ready for the test, we will offer CogAT(FxAT) prep classes for 2nd graders. These classes will be held on Saturdays at Thoreau Middle School (2505 Cedar Ln, Vienna, VA 22180).

All of our materials are carefully tailored to fit your children’s needs. The Sunshine Academy curriculum is unique, enhanced with full length color practice tests, and has been proven to help students perform well on the CogAT(FxAT) test. Many students have achieved perfect scores on the test.

Throughout theCogAT(FxAT) prep classes, students will take 5 full-length color practice tests that encompass all of the tested concepts. The objective of these practice tests is to familiarize our students with sample questions they will face on test day, along with the format of the tests, including the symbols used and the number of questions in each test area.

The schedule is as follows:

Saturday

9:00am—11:00am

11:00am-1:00pm

2:00pm-4:00pm

4:00pm—6:00pm

September

7, 14, 21, 28

October

5

The first Saturday class will start on September 7th and each class will last for 2 hours."

I have 3 kids. We are Asian American. Don’t know anyone who takes a cogat class. Mathnasium, kumon, piano lessons, weekend language, yes. You would really have to prioritize this cogat class over other everyday swim, soccer, violin, etc.

Your anecdote of 1 doesn't mean very much. You have time and other resources to support your children in other ways. Others take a more direct approach. Fwiw, this academy is like 90% Asian parents. It's a summer school + these other "add on" opportunities, with the ultimate prize being admittance to the Ivy League.

FCPS has about 180,000 students, and 19% of them identified themselves as Asian last year. Out of the thousands of Asian second graders at FCPS, how many do you think have taken classes at this Sunshine Academy?

My point is that they are filling a market and it's probably significant enough that it concerns FCPS, in addition to the fact that higher SES families can and will also help their kids much more than the average lower income parent.

The sunshine approach seems questionable to an outsider as it is very direct, i.e., instead of general enrichment that can benefit performance on an intelligence test, just hack the test. Some may not go to Sunshine but may drill their kids for months until they are sure they'll get a near-perfect score.

DC went to Sunshine's summer program last year because I was disappointed with how little DC was challenged in school. It was quite eyeopening. LOTS of kids there. Many classes. Very intense in the sense of the quantity of writing and tests. Not much emphasis on creativity. The director seems to market directly to the TJ crowd and those who want their kids in Ivies. She also seems to try to stoke this idea that this is everyone's dream (to go to TJ, get in an Ivy) and that the ticket is paying for classes be sure of a top score. Mind you, Sunshine is the only one I know about but I'm sure there are others.

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Nothing in our folder this week, hoping that either it's in the mail tomorrow or the county post it on parentvue

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Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

How do you know it doesn’t impact chances? I’ve seen somewhere that in pool acceptance rate is roughly 2/3 while out pool is 1/3. I am unable to provide any sources so who knows how much of this is true, but if it is wouldn’t that mean better chance of app when in pool?

This has been discussed quite a bit on this forum. Just having the label "in-pool" does not matter. However, what does matter is that this means the child's COGAT and NNAT scores are high. The AAP committee will look at the whole package, and having high COGAT/NNAT scores will be a point in their favor for sure.

Sure, although surely the committee is aware of the kind of prepping that goes on in some corners and for those with near perfect scores they might more critically evaluate the whole packet. But that's just arm-chair speculation.

I think that's true for packages that show big gaps between nnat/cogat and other criteria (HOPE, iready, score card). I also think it's odd that people think of prepping in a negative light. From my point of view, prepping means the parents are more involved and invested in the kids education. It's not like they cheat or anything during those tests. Plus, kids are prepped on all kinds of tests in school, starting with SOL in 3rd garde.

It's not odd at all and we probably don't need to rehash this conversation as it's well trodden territory in this forum. There are parents who essentially sign their kids up for courses to prepare for the CogAT. As in many, many hours of instruction and practice led by outside individuals on how to ace the test. This isn't the same as getting a book and helping the child get familiar with the test format. And FCPS is well aware, hence the increasingly "holistic" process intended to address the inequity this presents.

This really is not the norm. We live in McLean and most parents probably get a cogat book off amazon and take a few practice tests. This is not going to move a 100 kid to 140.

Yes, I didn't even know there were courses for CogAT prep, but I have purchased books and other tools, and I don't see any problem with that. We live in a low SES area but are not in a URM group. I guess that "helps" my kid because the in pool cutoffs could be lower. Given the poor quality of education in gen ed, who wouldn't try to get their children the best possible education the family can afford?

I also don't see a problem with that, and I'm not trying to imply that this level of prep is a widespread norm, but there is a substantial group of parents that do a lot more than go through a few practice books. Look up Sunshine Academy. They even do i-ready prep. Here are more details to show there clearly is a demand for this as they have multiple saturday sections:

"All 2nd graders in Fairfax County will take the CogAT(FxAT) test in the coming fall. To ensure our students are ready for the test, we will offer CogAT(FxAT) prep classes for 2nd graders. These classes will be held on Saturdays at Thoreau Middle School (2505 Cedar Ln, Vienna, VA 22180).

All of our materials are carefully tailored to fit your children’s needs. The Sunshine Academy curriculum is unique, enhanced with full length color practice tests, and has been proven to help students perform well on the CogAT(FxAT) test. Many students have achieved perfect scores on the test.

Throughout theCogAT(FxAT) prep classes, students will take 5 full-length color practice tests that encompass all of the tested concepts. The objective of these practice tests is to familiarize our students with sample questions they will face on test day, along with the format of the tests, including the symbols used and the number of questions in each test area.

The schedule is as follows:

Saturday

9:00am—11:00am

11:00am-1:00pm

2:00pm-4:00pm

4:00pm—6:00pm

September

7, 14, 21, 28

October

5

The first Saturday class will start on September 7th and each class will last for 2 hours."

I have 3 kids. We are Asian American. Don’t know anyone who takes a cogat class. Mathnasium, kumon, piano lessons, weekend language, yes. You would really have to prioritize this cogat class over other everyday swim, soccer, violin, etc.

Your anecdote of 1 doesn't mean very much. You have time and other resources to support your children in other ways. Others take a more direct approach. Fwiw, this academy is like 90% Asian parents. It's a summer school + these other "add on" opportunities, with the ultimate prize being admittance to the Ivy League.

DH and I are ivy educated and we also have a goal of getting our kids into a top university. What I’m telling you is that most Asian Americans will do other activities over this. My kids have done chess, Science Olympiad, debate, etc. They don’t need to take a class to score 99th percentile. All 3 of my kids have scored 99th percentile.

I'm sorry that you equate getting into an Ivy with going to a top school.

Aside from that, you are living in a bubble. Not all asian parents have the resources you do, so they will use other means. Clearly this is what they are doing otherwise these classes would not exist.

Also, the humble bragging about your kids being in the 99th percentile is like the old Garrison Keilor joke. Every kid in the AAP forum on dcum is in the 99th percentile! Don't forget that this is 99th relative to the nation. It's not a major feat.

I grew up a poor Asian immigrant kid with no resources. I was flagged gifted in a very poor neighborhood when I was young. I looked up my old school and it is now 100% FARMs.

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We just got the Cogat score report home in DC's bookbag.

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Still nothing 22102

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When does SIS usually update? Is it a 9am thing or a midnight thing?

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Anonymous wrote:When does SIS usually update? Is it a 9am thing or a midnight thing?

I’m surprised it’s not up yet. I mean they needed these scores to calculate in pool per school so they had these scores.

Do these letters come from the school?

Looks like some were mailed and others were brought home in backpacks.

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Anonymous wrote:When does SIS usually update? Is it a 9am thing or a midnight thing?

I think it depends on whoever update it. I have a middle schooler and his grade can be updated anytime of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:When does SIS usually update? Is it a 9am thing or a midnight thing?

I’m surprised it’s not up yet. I mean they needed these scores to calculate in pool per school so they had these scores.

Do these letters come from the school?

Looks like some were mailed and others were brought home in backpacks.

Yes, the letter came from school’s AART, scores with comments.

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Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

How do you know it doesn’t impact chances? I’ve seen somewhere that in pool acceptance rate is roughly 2/3 while out pool is 1/3. I am unable to provide any sources so who knows how much of this is true, but if it is wouldn’t that mean better chance of app when in pool?

This has been discussed quite a bit on this forum. Just having the label "in-pool" does not matter. However, what does matter is that this means the child's COGAT and NNAT scores are high. The AAP committee will look at the whole package, and having high COGAT/NNAT scores will be a point in their favor for sure.

Sure, although surely the committee is aware of the kind of prepping that goes on in some corners and for those with near perfect scores they might more critically evaluate the whole packet. But that's just arm-chair speculation.

I think that's true for packages that show big gaps between nnat/cogat and other criteria (HOPE, iready, score card). I also think it's odd that people think of prepping in a negative light. From my point of view, prepping means the parents are more involved and invested in the kids education. It's not like they cheat or anything during those tests. Plus, kids are prepped on all kinds of tests in school, starting with SOL in 3rd garde.

It's not odd at all and we probably don't need to rehash this conversation as it's well trodden territory in this forum. There are parents who essentially sign their kids up for courses to prepare for the CogAT. As in many, many hours of instruction and practice led by outside individuals on how to ace the test. This isn't the same as getting a book and helping the child get familiar with the test format. And FCPS is well aware, hence the increasingly "holistic" process intended to address the inequity this presents.

This really is not the norm. We live in McLean and most parents probably get a cogat book off amazon and take a few practice tests. This is not going to move a 100 kid to 140.

Yes, I didn't even know there were courses for CogAT prep, but I have purchased books and other tools, and I don't see any problem with that. We live in a low SES area but are not in a URM group. I guess that "helps" my kid because the in pool cutoffs could be lower. Given the poor quality of education in gen ed, who wouldn't try to get their children the best possible education the family can afford?

I also don't see a problem with that, and I'm not trying to imply that this level of prep is a widespread norm, but there is a substantial group of parents that do a lot more than go through a few practice books. Look up Sunshine Academy. They even do i-ready prep. Here are more details to show there clearly is a demand for this as they have multiple saturday sections:

"All 2nd graders in Fairfax County will take the CogAT(FxAT) test in the coming fall. To ensure our students are ready for the test, we will offer CogAT(FxAT) prep classes for 2nd graders. These classes will be held on Saturdays at Thoreau Middle School (2505 Cedar Ln, Vienna, VA 22180).

All of our materials are carefully tailored to fit your children’s needs. The Sunshine Academy curriculum is unique, enhanced with full length color practice tests, and has been proven to help students perform well on the CogAT(FxAT) test. Many students have achieved perfect scores on the test.

Throughout theCogAT(FxAT) prep classes, students will take 5 full-length color practice tests that encompass all of the tested concepts. The objective of these practice tests is to familiarize our students with sample questions they will face on test day, along with the format of the tests, including the symbols used and the number of questions in each test area.

The schedule is as follows:

Saturday

9:00am—11:00am

11:00am-1:00pm

2:00pm-4:00pm

4:00pm—6:00pm

September

7, 14, 21, 28

October

5

The first Saturday class will start on September 7th and each class will last for 2 hours."

I have 3 kids. We are Asian American. Don’t know anyone who takes a cogat class. Mathnasium, kumon, piano lessons, weekend language, yes. You would really have to prioritize this cogat class over other everyday swim, soccer, violin, etc.

Your anecdote of 1 doesn't mean very much. You have time and other resources to support your children in other ways. Others take a more direct approach. Fwiw, this academy is like 90% Asian parents. It's a summer school + these other "add on" opportunities, with the ultimate prize being admittance to the Ivy League.

DH and I are ivy educated and we also have a goal of getting our kids into a top university. What I’m telling you is that most Asian Americans will do other activities over this. My kids have done chess, Science Olympiad, debate, etc. They don’t need to take a class to score 99th percentile. All 3 of my kids have scored 99th percentile.

I agree with this. Sunshine usually tends to draw the socioeconomically depressed Asians in the area--parents are owners of drycleaners, restaurants, etc. It's not something that two upwardly mobile, Ivy or Ivy+ educated, professional Asian parents send their kids to. It's not RSM or Kumon. And while it boasts amazing rates, etc., it's just not brand you want to invest in for your kids.

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Received scores in kids backpack today. 20120

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Received the cogat scores 22033

[Anonymous]

PP is 22033 on parentvue or sent from school in folder?

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Anyone from Sangster received the scores? We are traveling this week so no Thursday folder for us.

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Anonymous wrote:PP is 22033 on parentvue or sent from school in folder?

Has to be folder. Nothing on ParentVUE.