Why aren’t males attending college?

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Anonymous wrote:Right wingers and macho podcasters have fed them a line of BS. Go into the trades. Code!!! Join the army. Be a man!

I don’t much care for right wingers or macho podcasters, but what’s wrong with any of those things? Why are so many fixated on making boys go to college if they don’t want to?

DP. Nothing. Most men (like most people) are not intellectual. These are options for those people.

What about the girls that aren't intellectual? Army? The trades? Or is it an early marriage for these women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers and macho podcasters have fed them a line of BS. Go into the trades. Code!!! Join the army. Be a man!

I don’t much care for right wingers or macho podcasters, but what’s wrong with any of those things? Why are so many fixated on making boys go to college if they don’t want to?

DP. Nothing. Most men (like most people) are not intellectual. These are options for those people.

What about the girls that aren't intellectual? Army? The trades? Or is it an early marriage for these women?

DP. Of course girls can join the army or learn a trade.

[Anonymous]

Girls mature faster and have a better appreciation for how to present themselves to colleges. Expectations for boys are just so low. I have a kid (with ADHD and dysgraphia) who scores super high on standardized tests and yet teachers gloss over his Bs and even Cs (in MCPS where grade inflation is rampant). He is far more capable. I can’t get through to him that that’s not going to get him into a competitive college. We do boys a disservice when we don’t expect more from them and prepare them for what’s next.

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In my case, a big part of it was socialization and expectations at home.

I rode my DD hard. I expected her to excel and to put in the time. She is off at a T10 college.

I was much more lax with her brother. He was always so dang cute and I always felt he was going to figure it out at some point. By 9th grade, I decided he hadn’t figured it out fast enough and started holding him to the same standards I had held his sister to. I didn’t let things slide and told him i expected straight A’s. He gave me the usual “I am trying my best, etc” and I told him “your best needs to be better. You are smart enough to get it done if you put in the work.” And to my surprise - he rose to meet the challenge. He is on track for a selective school and for a while there, that didn’t seem like his path.

I still don’t know why I expected more from my DD than my DS. But if others are like me, maybe that could explain parts of it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my case, a big part of it was socialization and expectations at home.

I rode my DD hard. I expected her to excel and to put in the time. She is off at a T10 college.

I was much more lax with her brother. He was always so dang cute and I always felt he was going to figure it out at some point. By 9th grade, I decided he hadn’t figured it out fast enough and started holding him to the same standards I had held his sister to. I didn’t let things slide and told him i expected straight A’s. He gave me the usual “I am trying my best, etc” and I told him “your best needs to be better. You are smart enough to get it done if you put in the work.” And to my surprise - he rose to meet the challenge. He is on track for a selective school and for a while there, that didn’t seem like his path.

I still don’t know why I expected more from my DD than my DS. But if others are like me, maybe that could explain parts of it?

I really appreciate the honesty and reflection of this post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Right wingers and macho podcasters have fed them a line of BS. Go into the trades. Code!!! Join the army. Be a man!

I don’t much care for right wingers or macho podcasters, but what’s wrong with any of those things? Why are so many fixated on making boys go to college if they don’t want to?

Well I don't disagree but to own a company requires more skill than just doing a manual task. People often want to move up as they age and if they don't have the training they can end up underwater. I know several self made men who have started businesses and failed miserably and have had to declare bankruptcy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my case, a big part of it was socialization and expectations at home.

I rode my DD hard. I expected her to excel and to put in the time. She is off at a T10 college.

I was much more lax with her brother. He was always so dang cute and I always felt he was going to figure it out at some point. By 9th grade, I decided he hadn’t figured it out fast enough and started holding him to the same standards I had held his sister to. I didn’t let things slide and told him i expected straight A’s. He gave me the usual “I am trying my best, etc” and I told him “your best needs to be better. You are smart enough to get it done if you put in the work.” And to my surprise - he rose to meet the challenge. He is on track for a selective school and for a while there, that didn’t seem like his path.

I still don’t know why I expected more from my DD than my DS. But if others are like me, maybe that could explain parts of it?

Misogyny. Women have it as well.

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Go look at the C-suite and board room of every F500 company. There’s your social advantages at play.

How is that relevant to young boys today? These people grew up 40, 50 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

There aren't that many open jobs in the sciences, especially for white and Asian males who have to stand behind less qualified women and DEI hires when applying.

The truth:

Your boy just can't cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

Until we’re talking about your kid, who can’t possibly be expandable, because you’ve done an awesome job as a parent. Or can’t have difficulty finding a partner to start a family because again you’ve proofed their life for any kind of setback.

The point is males seem to have difficulty enrolling in higher education and getting degrees, regardless of what their grandfathers did. I think it’s worth looking on the causes instead of just chucking it to video games and being lazy.

We want people in our society to be successful regardless of gender, not settle some score.

Yes but we also must attach personal responsibility somewhere in the equation. Men undoubtedly have various social advantages over women that should result in their success. There’s something implicitly sexist that all these discussions derive at women teachers being the issue and not the boys who’ve had continued broad access to education.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

Yes, this. I don't think it's "anti-male" to acknowledge this and say to them "sorry, if you don't have the grades and ability to take up a spot in XXX college, then you shouldn't." Especially since they are at least being judged on their merits instead of arbitrarily excluded like women were for generations.

By what metrics are women being judged on their merits? You need to move past the patriarchy is bad drivel. Girls do slighlty better on grades and slightly worse on standardized testing like the SAT. Definitely not what you'd expect from the admission percentages quoted earlier.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06292-0
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

If boys and girls do about the same in high school, it is legitimate to ask why the university enrollment doesnt reflect that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right wingers and macho podcasters have fed them a line of BS. Go into the trades. Code!!! Join the army. Be a man!

I don’t much care for right wingers or macho podcasters, but what’s wrong with any of those things? Why are so many fixated on making boys go to college if they don’t want to?

DP. Nothing. Most men (like most people) are not intellectual. These are options for those people.

What about the girls that aren't intellectual? Army? The trades? Or is it an early marriage for these women?

They major in communications, psychology, or a similar field

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

Yes, this. I don't think it's "anti-male" to acknowledge this and say to them "sorry, if you don't have the grades and ability to take up a spot in XXX college, then you shouldn't." Especially since they are at least being judged on their merits instead of arbitrarily excluded like women were for generations.

By what metrics are women being judged on their merits? You need to move past the patriarchy is bad drivel. Girls do slighlty better on grades and slightly worse on standardized testing like the SAT. Definitely not what you'd expect from the admission percentages quoted earlier.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06292-0
https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf

If boys and girls do about the same in high school, it is legitimate to ask why the university enrollment doesnt reflect that.

Grades are valued more than test scores by colleges, even though test scores are better predictors of college performance than grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

There aren't that many open jobs in the sciences, especially for white and Asian males who have to stand behind less qualified women and DEI hires when applying.

The truth:

Your boy just can't cut it.

If girls and women are better than boys and men, then get rid of all the BS gender-specific programs and awards. Get rid of the gender-specific schools as well. Make girls sign up for selective service. You can't have it both ways (girls are snowflakes and need a boost + girls are better) if you think girls are smarter.

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many boys are directionless. they don't enjoy the added competition of a fully engaged group of women who are more organized and competent than them.

boys would rather watch sports or listen to joe rogan's uninformed pod and ignorant takes. that's why they voted for trump. they want to feel like they're the top of the heap with low effort and less competition.