Navy Elementary - Principal Resignation

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For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

Basically a bunch of parents complaining about random FCPS stuff, no actual plans, lip service…the usual.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

They recorded it so you should be able to watch it.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

They recorded it so you should be able to watch it.

Where can we access the recording?

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

Basically a bunch of parents complaining about random FCPS stuff, no actual plans, lip service…the usual.

No. Parents were not “complaining about random FCPS stuff.” The meeting was recorded and the secretary took detailed notes. If you want to know what actually happened, you are going to have to wait until that information is released to the Navy community. We are not going to discuss sensitive information on an anonymous forum crawling with anti-Navy trolls because you couldn’t attend. Alternatively, you could ask another parent, privately, to fill you in.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

Basically a bunch of parents complaining about random FCPS stuff, no actual plans, lip service…the usual.

No. Parents were not “complaining about random FCPS stuff.” The meeting was recorded and the secretary took detailed notes. If you want to know what actually happened, you are going to have to wait until that information is released to the Navy community. We are not going to discuss sensitive information on an anonymous forum crawling with anti-Navy trolls because you couldn’t attend. Alternatively, you could ask another parent, privately, to fill you in.

This is why Tyson doesn’t take you all seriously. You got zero answers and a bunch of lip service and you know it. And you also know deep down that a new principal really isn’t going to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:For those wondering why the principal resigned, let’s clear things up. He wasn’t driven out by parents; he was forced out by the county after numerous complaints from both parents and staff about his incompetence. If anyone still believes he was a good principal, it’s probably because your child hasn’t had any issues that required you to contact the admin. Those of us who’ve had to deal with him firsthand know just how ineffective and dishonest he was.




Last year, when concerns were raised about his leadership, many of you defended him. Now, with the mass exodus of teachers and your kids feeling the effects, you’re seeing what some tried to warned about. The teachers left because they weren’t supported and were treated poorly.

And let’s not forget how some of you attacked “the sub” for passing around the letter about the principal. She was trying to shine a light on what was really going on, and she was right. Thank you, SUB, for having the courage to speak up when others stayed quiet.

Now, Navy’s stuck with a revolving door of unqualified replacements and no principal in sight. This is what happens when someone unfit for the job is allowed to run the school. Maybe if more people had listened last year, Navy wouldn’t be in this mess.

Hopefully, this serves as a wake-up call. Our kids deserve better.

Excuse me, how about if the original principal didn’t drive drunk into a house and flee the scene, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Please put blame where it really belongs.

Shall we go tar and feather him?

Seriously though, get Coch back from rehab and get him into Navy. I’m saying it in all seriousness. He was actually amazing. He was so responsive. Two kids in Navy. One graduated (thank god) and LOVED navy. We never had a complaint. But this year with my child in first, they have hired such incompetent new teachers (across the board.) Navy has gone downhill and it’s so sad because so many moved here for the school. I may end up putting my child in private school.

There is a teacher shortage it is national and yes even here at FCPS and Navy. Navy parents behave as if they are the only school going through this. You are not. It's county wide issues of staffing and FCPS have continuously made the issues worse not better.

When you lose a lot of teachers at once and a have poor reputation within the county, principals don’t get the luxury of being picky about teachers.

I heard former Navy staff trash Navy now on Facebook and in their new communities.

I think that just goes to show their true colors. I have switched jobs before and I don't go online trashing my former place of work. Geez, move on and be happy you have a new job. Principal didn't stand a chance. I hope they are happy now.

School teachers gossip like crazy and it is a very normalized behavior to gossip about everybody and everything.

Haven’t seen this so much at other schools honestly.

You mean former teachers. Current crop of teachers and staff is very professional.

+1 that’s why the Jon lovers don’t like them - they can’t gossip with them anymore. And their kids are now held to higher standards.

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On the Fairfax Teachers and Staff Facebook group, current Navy teachers still come off as disgruntled and unhappy. Do people outside of that school really care? The staff that left have probably moved on. It seems like there is still much internal conflict within former and newer staff members. The common denominator sounds like most do not think the administrators are doing their jobs well. Mainly due to miscommunication, depending on which administrator you speak with. Maybe it’s something simple as the administrators not getting along and seeing eye-to-eye. Perhaps they are dragging the staff down and/or throwing teachers and parents under the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:On the Fairfax Teachers and Staff Facebook group, current Navy teachers still come off as disgruntled and unhappy. Do people outside of that school really care? The staff that left have probably moved on. It seems like there is still much internal conflict within former and newer staff members. The common denominator sounds like most do not think the administrators are doing their jobs well. Mainly due to miscommunication, depending on which administrator you speak with. Maybe it’s something simple as the administrators not getting along and seeing eye-to-eye. Perhaps they are dragging the staff down and/or throwing teachers and parents under the bus.

At the meeting last night, Tyson talked about the importance of parents not going out in the community and bad mouthing the school, as this can make it harder to attract teachers. I would hope that same message is going to current and former staff and their behavior on social media. I would think teachers posting negative things about Navy in that Facebook group does a whole lot more damage than some parents complaining to each other. I sure hope the teachers publicly trashing Navy (if that is happening) do not try to act like they care about the kids. Because that is exactly who they’re hurting if they are going out and airing dirty laundry.

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Anonymous wrote:Its common at other schools for classes to have long term subs for the entire school year.
So parents were crying about a long term
sub for just one subject?

Two subjects, but yes.

I thought the problem was that there was no sub. The long term sub they had hired quit after like a week. And since then there has been no one filling that role. That’s why parents have been upset.

You don’t know the facts obviously. First sub quit after 3 weeks. She was never supposed to be there long term anyway. Then they had a 2nd sub (a warm body) for a week. No one could even understand her. Then they got a long term sub who was there for 6 weeks and left the class in shambles. While there, she loosely threw some SS materials at them but it was absolute chaos in her class. Not a drop of science was taught.

Ok great. No need to be snarky to me. The point remains that it’s not just parents being upset that there’s a long term sub, like PP tried to imply. I am on your side here.

I hope you don’t speak like this to the people you need on your side in order to fix the situation. They’re not going to feel very sympathetic to you if you’re being an a-hole.

I am a new poster. I want to add that last year there was a long term sub for one of the grades and she had lesson plans. All was well and she was well liked. This year what the previous person said was true. They didn't learn much and the class was chaotic. My kid was coming home with migraines daily and overly stressed by the behaviors of some really problematic kids. The problem was not the sub but the lack of plans and support and expectations. The buck stops with admin but the current situation does sadden me as we are all human and I feel like mistakes were made and I wish there was a different outcome.

Lack of plans was because the previous teacher who taught SS/Sci had left. There was no one to provide those plans to the sub to begin with. Whose responsibility was it to provide plans to the sub? Why wasn’t everyone working together on it from day 1?

They should have all come together to support the sub and make sure she had adequate plans. Instead our kids suffered. The team and admin did not work together here it seems.

Yes but this is even more out of the teachers personal time. Yes they need to work as a team, but it’s not good doing your lessons and someone else’s for an indefinite period of time.

Unfortunately that is what happens when there is a long term sub.

I would imagine that people are a lot more willing to help if the person shows some sort of initiative and willingness to do what they can on their own to pull plans together. If the sub was not doing that, I can see why a lot of resentment would be created. You can’t expect people to just do someone else’s job for them if they are straight up incompetent.

Exactly. Even so, Mr. Dyer gave the sub his slides and typed out detailed instructions for the children to follow on Schoology every, single morning. The sub had everything she needed. Hell, the parents even had everything they needed to teach the unit on Western African Empires. But instead of using the materials she was given, she would just let the kids sit there from 12-2:50 and do whatever they wanted. I cannot even begin to tell you some of the things that were happening in that class. I used to teach in a Title 1 school, and none of it would have been acceptable. Sub or no sub.

Why was Mr. Dyer providing the plans, when he is on the AAP team? Where are the gen Ed plans for SS/Sci?(this goes back to the vacancy issue created by last year’s Gen Ed SS/Sci teacher leaving). And please note his AAP class gets SS and Science daily. If the sub was just following his plans, that would mean our kids never would get taught science as Mr. Dyer doesn’t teach science. Again, who was overseeing the plans to ensure our kids got both SS and science?

OMG this is such a Navy AAP Mama response. Sweetheart, literally the only difference between what your kid and my kid learn is advanced math.

Different peer group though

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Anonymous wrote:For those of us who missed the meeting last night, can anyone provide a summary?

Basically a bunch of parents complaining about random FCPS stuff, no actual plans, lip service…the usual.

No. Parents were not “complaining about random FCPS stuff.” The meeting was recorded and the secretary took detailed notes. If you want to know what actually happened, you are going to have to wait until that information is released to the Navy community. We are not going to discuss sensitive information on an anonymous forum crawling with anti-Navy trolls because you couldn’t attend. Alternatively, you could ask another parent, privately, to fill you in.

This is why Tyson doesn’t take you all seriously. You got zero answers and a bunch of lip service and you know it. And you also know deep down that a new principal really isn’t going to change anything.

My bad. I must have missed the part where you spoke up at the meeting instead of silently judging every one else who did.