If every kid is doing the same damn EC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.

What is their job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.

If this is really true and you are not a troll, I would be willing to bet your kid had something in their application that showed the college a spark beyond others. I doubt they were the Model UN, Debate typical kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2007 that Joshua Bell, one of the world famous violinists, stood in front of a metro station and played for 45 minutes. Almost no one recognized who he was. Joshua Bell is a great violinist, but he does not produce anything useful, he just plays music by other composers. This is the perfect example of someone with a 4.0 GPA, a high SAT/ACT score, and tons of ECs. HYPMS doesn't want this candidate.

Now replace the same above scenario with Noel Gallagher, the songwriter and singer from the band Oasis, if you don't know who he is. He would be mobbed by thousands and thousands of fans. He writes and makes his own music. This is an example of someone that HYPMS wants.

​Can you see the difference?

Do you really think that HYPMS only accepts Noel Gallaghers? You are delusional. Majority of students getting in are sheep and just know how to play like Joshua Bell. I don’t know a single kid that was accepted who was like Noel Gallagher. They were either very ordinar legacy students with zero to mediocre ECs, recruited athletes, kids of influential parents etc.. not one of them was a creative kid. All sheep or all there because of connections.

DP. You don't have to be Noel Gallaghers, but you have something unique, HYPMS will take you over someone with 4.0 GPA & a high SAT. If I can teach a monkey long enough, that monkey can play violin a level or two below Joshua Bell. What I can't teach the monkey is how to write "don't look back in anger" lyrics or play guitar like Noel Gallaghers. The world is full of, as Randy Newman put it "and all the people dressed like monkeys" in his "I love L.A." lyric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2007 that Joshua Bell, one of the world famous violinists, stood in front of a metro station and played for 45 minutes. Almost no one recognized who he was. Joshua Bell is a great violinist, but he does not produce anything useful, he just plays music by other composers. This is the perfect example of someone with a 4.0 GPA, a high SAT/ACT score, and tons of ECs. HYPMS doesn't want this candidate.

Now replace the same above scenario with Noel Gallagher, the songwriter and singer from the band Oasis, if you don't know who he is. He would be mobbed by thousands and thousands of fans. He writes and makes his own music. This is an example of someone that HYPMS wants.

​Can you see the difference?

Do you really think that HYPMS only accepts Noel Gallaghers? You are delusional. Majority of students getting in are sheep and just know how to play like Joshua Bell. I don’t know a single kid that was accepted who was like Noel Gallagher. They were either very ordinar legacy students with zero to mediocre ECs, recruited athletes, kids of influential parents etc.. not one of them was a creative kid. All sheep or all there because of connections.

DP. You don't have to be Noel Gallaghers, but you have something unique, HYPMS will take you over someone with 4.0 GPA & a high SAT. If I can teach a monkey long enough, that monkey can play violin a level or two below Joshua Bell. What I can't teach the monkey is how to write "don't look back in anger" lyrics or play guitar like Noel Gallaghers. The world is full of, as Randy Newman put it "and all the people dressed like monkeys" in his "I love L.A." lyric.

nonsense. teaching monkey to play violin is not easier than teaching it to write don't look back in anger. AI can do a much better job with the later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

The jab at my kid aside, you are wrong about what tests measure.

My guess is your kid has crappy test scores and you are trying to cope.

I'll bite. Yes, my kid does have crappy scores (like REALLY crappy, like people on DCUM would have said go to community college crappy). Yet somehow, they are sitting next to your kid at a T25 and have had internships and leadership roles, so go figure. They happen to have EQ off the hook and are above average intelligence (think IQ of 120 or so). And no, they are not an athlete (well, they are but not for the college and not olympic level or anything).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.

White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.

Team sports offers things individual sports cannot.
When you practice tennis, you can do it on your schedule, take a day off whenever you want, etc.
When you practice lacrosse, much of it cannot be on your schedule.
Learning to deal with teammates and those other parents and coaches are also important skill you learn from team sports.

I got my first job because of my individual sport (the boring manager appreciated the discipline it takes), but business LOVE team sports. Working in many roles is all about being a team player. Team sports teaches you that, so does orchestra and many other things, but business seem to value team sports very highly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*to appeal
The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.

White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.

Team sports offers things individual sports cannot.
When you practice tennis, you can do it on your schedule, take a day off whenever you want, etc.
When you practice lacrosse, much of it cannot be on your schedule.
Learning to deal with teammates and those other parents and coaches are also important skill you learn from team sports.

I got my first job because of my individual sport (the boring manager appreciated the discipline it takes), but business LOVE team sports. Working in many roles is all about being a team player. Team sports teaches you that, so does orchestra and many other things, but business seem to value team sports very highly.

Sorry, "hiring" manager. He wasn't boring but the job kind of was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.

If this is really true and you are not a troll, I would be willing to bet your kid had something in their application that showed the college a spark beyond others. I doubt they were the Model UN, Debate typical kid.

Of course! Isn't that always the case for HYPSM students? People here always talking about stats only shows they know nothing about top college admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.

Don't get mad, this is just how some people cope. High test scores correlate to creativity as well. This is just something people who can't accept that their kids are not that smart tell themselves to feel better about having kids that aren't that smart.

If you need creativity, you are almost certainly better off asking smarter people than dumber people.

[Anonymous]

AO are often time mediocre students from poor families. They have a bias against high achieving students - especially Asians.

Why? Plain and simply - Envy.

A lot of things have to work out well in a student's life - family, parents, knowledge, tradition, culture, community, resources - for them to do 12 APs, 1550+ SAT, 4.0 GPA, ECs etc. And most Asian students have that available to them when applying and will continue to have all of this after college.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of smart people with zero creativity. However, almost all creative people are really smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2007 that Joshua Bell, one of the world famous violinists, stood in front of a metro station and played for 45 minutes. Almost no one recognized who he was. Joshua Bell is a great violinist, but he does not produce anything useful, he just plays music by other composers. This is the perfect example of someone with a 4.0 GPA, a high SAT/ACT score, and tons of ECs. HYPMS doesn't want this candidate.

Now replace the same above scenario with Noel Gallagher, the songwriter and singer from the band Oasis, if you don't know who he is. He would be mobbed by thousands and thousands of fans. He writes and makes his own music. This is an example of someone that HYPMS wants.

​Can you see the difference?

Do you really think that HYPMS only accepts Noel Gallaghers? You are delusional. Majority of students getting in are sheep and just know how to play like Joshua Bell. I don’t know a single kid that was accepted who was like Noel Gallagher. They were either very ordinar legacy students with zero to mediocre ECs, recruited athletes, kids of influential parents etc.. not one of them was a creative kid. All sheep or all there because of connections.

DP. You don't have to be Noel Gallaghers, but you have something unique, HYPMS will take you over someone with 4.0 GPA & a high SAT. If I can teach a monkey long enough, that monkey can play violin a level or two below Joshua Bell. What I can't teach the monkey is how to write "don't look back in anger" lyrics or play guitar like Noel Gallaghers. The world is full of, as Randy Newman put it "and all the people dressed like monkeys" in his "I love L.A." lyric.

nonsense. teaching monkey to play violin is not easier than teaching it to write don't look back in anger. AI can do a much better job with the later.

My mp3 player can do the former.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

The jab at my kid aside, you are wrong about what tests measure.

My guess is your kid has crappy test scores and you are trying to cope.

I'll bite. Yes, my kid does have crappy scores (like REALLY crappy, like people on DCUM would have said go to community college crappy). Yet somehow, they are sitting next to your kid at a T25 and have had internships and leadership roles, so go figure. They happen to have EQ off the hook and are above average intelligence (think IQ of 120 or so). And no, they are not an athlete (well, they are but not for the college and not olympic level or anything).

And you think that makes your kid is interesting and creative while my kid is a grinder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.

If this is really true and you are not a troll, I would be willing to bet your kid had something in their application that showed the college a spark beyond others. I doubt they were the Model UN, Debate typical kid.

Of course! Isn't that always the case for HYPSM students? People here always talking about stats only shows they know nothing about top college admissions

We aren't talking about stats because we think it's the only thing that matters. We talk about stats (test scores) because it is the easiest place to see evidence of racial discrimination.

The chances that an otherwise unexplained 200 point SAT difference is coincidental over multiple years is zero.

The chances that a 50% drop in NMSF at TJ is coincidental is very small.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of smart people with zero creativity. However, almost all creative people are really smart.

Not usually. They either not smart or they are creative in ways you cannot appreciate or find intersting.