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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
AO response:  There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response:  There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response:  There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response:  There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
AO response:  There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response:  Now that's unique.  We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers 
AO response:  Amazing.  You know how to monetize your influence.  It means more exposure for the university.  Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...[/quote]

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.[/quote]

A university wants[b] successful accomplished and famous alumni[/b]. 
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS. 
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.[/quote]

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.[/quote]

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.[/quote]
What a snub!
My kid is the former with near perfect SAT, GPA, amazing academic achievements and a degree from a top of top tier college. They're currently making $2M+ a year three years out of college. They're so much more intelligent and creative than you mouth runners.
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If this is really true and you are not a troll, [b]I would be willing to bet your kid had something in their application that showed the college a spark beyond others.[/b]  I doubt they were the Model UN, Debate typical kid.[/quote]
Of course! Isn't that always the case for HYPSM students? People here always talking about stats only shows they know nothing about top college admissions :lol: [/quote]

We aren't talking about stats because we think it's the only thing that matters.  We talk about stats (test scores) because it is the easiest place to see evidence of racial discrimination.

The chances that an otherwise unexplained 200 point SAT difference is coincidental over multiple years is zero.

The chances that a 50% drop in NMSF at TJ is coincidental is very small.[/quote]

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