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No more traffic needed on my street! I saved long to pay for my quiet street.

We found the guy that owns the street.

He is one of the owners of that street, yes. When you buy in a community, you invest in that community. You are part of a collective of owners of that community. And you sure as $h*t care more about the quality of life in that community than developers who want to maximize profit vs ensuring that the community retains the qualities that people invested in their properties for.

Sorry you couldn’t afford to buy a house. Maybe less spending on Orange Theory and Starbucks and happy hours and Sunday brunch at the latest hotspot and spontaneous trips to Iceland because YOLO!

YIMBYs want the benefits of what other people saved and sacrificed for without any of the saving and sacrifice.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

The “logic” is that we still have private property rights in this country and they want to stay there.

Are you really advocating for socialized housing? Gen Z is dumber than I thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

Have you even been to Del Ray or N Arlington? The reason it is so desirable and expensive is because of it's walkability, bro. I can take pleasure knowing we've priced you out of ever owning one of these.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

The “logic” is that we still have private property rights in this country and they want to stay there.

Are you really advocating for socialized housing? Gen Z is dumber than I thought.

+1. They have no shame. Most of them just had their student loans canceled and now they think they’re entitled to close in housing. Let me tell you, there is nothing better than a long commute from a mouse infested house to motivate you to earn more and try harder.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

Have you even been to Del Ray or N Arlington? The reason it is so desirable and expensive is because of it's walkability, bro. I can take pleasure knowing we've priced you out of ever owning one of these.

This is a very weird argument. Del Ray is walkable and packed with "missing middle" type housing, much of it quite old. North Arlington south of 29 is walkable and packed with missing middle housing also. Get more than a few blocks north of 29 sidewalks start disappearing and its not really walkable anymore.

So given the correlation between missing middle, walkability and price/sq ft, why are you people fighting against plexes and townhouses?

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

The “logic” is that we still have private property rights in this country and they want to stay there.

Are you really advocating for socialized housing? Gen Z is dumber than I thought.

+1. They have no shame. Most of them just had their student loans canceled and now they think they’re entitled to close in housing. Let me tell you, there is nothing better than a long commute from a mouse infested house to motivate you to earn more and try harder.

A large part of this is generational politics. Boomers were huge, Gen X small, and Millenials/Gen Z larger. Most of those who stand to gain from densification of those existing detached SFH neighborhoods are Boomers (some who might look to move or resituate in retirement, now, can sell to developers for more than they could otherwise, with the side-case of returning to one newly-built accessible unit of the reaulting multiplex) or and Millenials/GenZ (many of whom want but don't have close-in housing that typically requires more time with fiscal discipline to afford). Gen X are largely the ones who currently are more likely to want to stay where they are currently situated for a longer time but don't wish to incur the burdens of densificatuon, and who may not have had the vast appreciation from the late 90s on on which to fall back for the nest egg (as is more typically available to boomers).

I suppose that the collective subconscious, then, swings toward convenience for the majority, where steady-state options include capture of that vast appreciation for boomers to facilitate retirement living options and compromise (farther out or smaller)/fiscal discipline in line with the expectations of prior generations for Millenials/Gen Z, with relatively less manageable but more negatively impactful conditions (live with it or move) afforded to the minority Gen X'ers.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

Have you even been to Del Ray or N Arlington? The reason it is so desirable and expensive is because of it's walkability, bro. I can take pleasure knowing we've priced you out of ever owning one of these.

This is a very weird argument. Del Ray is walkable and packed with "missing middle" type housing, much of it quite old. North Arlington south of 29 is walkable and packed with missing middle housing also. Get more than a few blocks north of 29 sidewalks start disappearing and its not really walkable anymore.

So given the correlation between missing middle, walkability and price/sq ft, why are you people fighting against plexes and townhouses?

There isn't a SFH under 900k in 22301. Even the two bed 1 bath WWII THs are 850kish. Thus, your 30 year note on one of those going to be ~ $4500. After saving $170,000 for a down payment.

That means just to qualify your monthly take home has to be at least ~$14,000.

I don't know about you but I don't know too many teachers or nurses bringing home $7000 every month and 200 grand in a checking account.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Those empty nesters lived in cramped and Ron down apartments until they saved enough money to buy a cramped and run down house that they improved over the years. Do the same and stop whining

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Young families aren’t moving into fourplexes or sixplexes, which comprise about half of EHO units approved. We all know those will be rentals for people without kids. Those people could easily live in the glut of apartments we have already. The townhomes and duplexes maybe an option for families which is what YIMBYs should have been aiming for all along. But they had no idea what they were doing and here we are. How much money has Arlington County spent to defend MM? How much ill will has been generated? All because the roll out of this was so ill conceived and poorly done. If townhomes and duplexes were the max, I bet you it would have easily gone through. Oh well!

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Those empty nesters lived in cramped and Ron down apartments until they saved enough money to buy a cramped and run down house that they improved over the years. Do the same and stop whining

They bought those places at 25 on a single income. Now people might be able to buy them at 40 on two incomes. You don't see that as a problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Young families aren’t moving into fourplexes or sixplexes, which comprise about half of EHO units approved. We all know those will be rentals for people without kids. Those people could easily live in the glut of apartments we have already. The townhomes and duplexes maybe an option for families which is what YIMBYs should have been aiming for all along. But they had no idea what they were doing and here we are. How much money has Arlington County spent to defend MM? How much ill will has been generated? All because the roll out of this was so ill conceived and poorly done. If townhomes and duplexes were the max, I bet you it would have easily gone through. Oh well!

They should have just made a pattern book with tasteful options. Maybe next generation.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Those empty nesters lived in cramped and Ron down apartments until they saved enough money to buy a cramped and run down house that they improved over the years. Do the same and stop whining

They bought those places at 25 on a single income. Now people might be able to buy them at 40 on two incomes. You don't see that as a problem?

They had an over 15% interest rate. The current rate is 6% which is the highest it has been in over a decade.

It's all connected.

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Take a telework job? You won’t be able to afford this MM housing (duplex or town house) if you can’t afford a small starter home that currently exists, leaving you with the option of living in a condo, apartment, or a one bedroom in a six-plex unit or moving elsewhere. I don’t understand what you’re saying. This will not help make the housing that young families desire more affordable. So choose from what exists, like the rest of us had to do. I’m almost 50, recently on my second SFH, and have my own bathroom (not shared by the entire family) for the first time since becoming an adult. JFC, you are insufferable. That’s the choice.

Also, my parents own their home so I’m not sure what you’d have me do? Take them to court and try to declare them incompetent and get POA and then move them into an old people home? I don’t hate them so why would I? Okay, but let’s say I do that. I’m not going to give away their largest asset. I’ll sell it to the highest bidder, and it’s a pretty nice house and has a covenant so it’s not going to be torn down but rather bought by a wealthy young family and kept as a SFH. How does this help struggling young families?

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Those empty nesters lived in cramped and Ron down apartments until they saved enough money to buy a cramped and run down house that they improved over the years. Do the same and stop whining

They bought those places at 25 on a single income. Now people might be able to buy them at 40 on two incomes. You don't see that as a problem?

One reason that SFH homes within 15 mi of downtown are at a premium is that people want to live in SFHs

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Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

How is this ruining the country? Because people need to live in areas that comport with their affordability instead of the government trying to get everyone a prize at the expense of current homeowners? No one has a right to live in Arlington. It’s a very nice and expensive place.

I would love a house in Newport Beach. I can’t afford a $8M house so I don’t live there.

because EVERYTHING that is a common good gets opposed by NIMBYs. Preschools, high schools, sidewalks, solar powed, waste treatment plants …

The best thing for the common hood would be for people to understand that if you want something nice in this country you have to sacrifice and work your tail off. In an era of student loan forgiveness, free housing for illegal immigrants, and countless other government giveaways it’s gotten totally out of control.

This is why there is a huge disconnect with some liberals in Arlington, extremely socially liberal, but also believe what you said above that you should work hard to get to where you are and should enjoy the benefits of that hard work. They’re happy to donate their hard earned money to those less fortunate, but don’t want them living next-door.

It’s not surprising that a generation of young people who grew up getting participation trophies would have no shame in thinking they deserve to live in close-in high income neighborhoods. The lack of self awareness is galling.

Devils advocate, why does someone who can’t afford it think they should “deserve” to live in a particular neighborhood?

They were raised as upper middle class kids by boomer parents who worked hard to accomplish a good life for them. Many were in the first generation to earn college degrees and ground through college on the GI bill or through night school, including law school. They wanted their kids to have what they missed and encouraged them to follow their passions. The kids did so but the passion does not pay enough to have the kind of life they had as a kid.

This is so true. Yimbys are a bunch of people with useless degrees and too much student loan debt that made bad life decisions.

there’s nothing more pathetic than an old boomer refusing to change and holding on to his broke down ratty SFH with no sidewalk as if it were Versailles.

DP. This comment shows the entitlement and disdain YIMBYs have for working and middle class SFH homeowners, suggesting that our modest homes are unworthy of existing and are just “tear downs”. For so many of us, this home is our dwelling and an investment in our now and our future. It took us years - for some, decades - to save for these homes. And yet YIMBYs not only mock our homes but demand they have instant access to homes without any of the hard work it takes to save for one.

So much for the YIMBY concern for the middle classes …. The same homeowners the PP mocks above.

YIMBYs and Density Bros are openly ageist, mocking people as the “Olds”, and dismissing their mobility challenges which require driving. I’ve seen long time residents dismissed with “why don’t you move to Leisure World”?

To be fair, many of the "Olds" have mobility challenges because they live in SFHs and drive everywhere. Maybe if they had actually used their legs at any point in the last 50 years, they wouldn't have mobility challenges. And maybe, just maybe, we should stop consigning future generations do early disability by automobile?

You’re an assh***. I hope everyone reads you to filth. Many elderly have mobility challenges for many reasons, as do young DISABLED people, not for reasons having anything to do with how they behaved or lived at any point in their lives. Seriously, you are the worst and your parents must be so ashamed. No wonder they wouldn’t let you move in or help you with a down payment.

You people act like there are no old people anywhere else in the world. Old people exist in places with townhouses and apartments all over the world. They somehow manage to get around without a 5,000 pound SUV parked six feet from their door. What makes Arlington Olds, who I am told are the healthiest, so particularly special that they won't be able to handle walking a little bit?

Why are retirement communities almost entirely built with "Missing Middle" housing? Its actually easier for Olds to get around by foot and golf cart than having them drive into their local grocery store with a giant truck.

None of that is what I was responding to, rather to the attack from someone who blamed being infirm solely on the housing or vehicle choices someone made at some point in their lives.


For what it’s worth, my dream is to retire to a Pre-War in Manhattan. My parents, however, want to leave their home feet first. I’m not sure why you’re intent on making an enemy of people who supports a lot of what you’re talking about without agreeing that all SFH zoning needs to be eliminated. But, take the L I guess.

Let's keep in mind it was the Nimbys that dragged the Olds off their mobility scooters to use as human shields. Let's also keep in mind we just went through a couple years where we sacrificed young people for the sake of the Olds, with disastrous consequences for the nation.

So I'll just ask what do you want young families to do? Live an hour+ from work and never see each other? Live in cramped and run down apartments? What is the logic in having empty nesters in the best housing in the county?

Those empty nesters lived in cramped and Ron down apartments until they saved enough money to buy a cramped and run down house that they improved over the years. Do the same and stop whining

They bought those places at 25 on a single income. Now people might be able to buy them at 40 on two incomes. You don't see that as a problem?

21,000,000 undocumented immigrants has a crushing impact on home affordability. Especially in our area.