MM Is Dead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-sin...-zoning-in-arlington

She added that the County
Board “has spent over $1.1 million dollars of taxpayer money to fight its own residents” and
that today the Court “demonstrated that the County’s authority is not absolute and must be
exercised within the bounds of legal procedures and public accountability.”

Wow.

They had better start digging for change for the appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, it is not completely dead yet. Arlington is going to appeal the ruling.

Maybe, but how long can they keep paying $700/hour for outside representation?

How many losing battles can they fight on the taxpayer’s dime before someone says, ENOUGH?

Maybe they can drag it along until the next election cycle.

This news comes as attorney fees from a more expansive lawsuit against EHO have mushroomed in recent months. The county paid the law firm Gentry Locke $173,879 between March 30 and April 30, for a total of nearly $300,000 in spending since January, invoices show.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/06/04/one-missing...-are-still-mounting/

That was in JUNE.

That's not that much Shiela

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

People are finally beginning to understand that developers are behind all these proposals to ruin communities. YIMBY = developers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-sin...-zoning-in-arlington

Some random civil servant complaining about something she likely didn’t fully understand.

Also how is anyone getting “rich off your back”? Did they steal something from you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

People are finally beginning to understand that developers are behind all these proposals to ruin communities. YIMBY = developers.

Developers are the people who build houses. That’s not really a secret.

Fulminating over (checks notes) duplexes in your neighborhood is mentally deranged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

Thanks, Bob (and Tony).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.

Thanks, Bob (and Tony).

Most people think you’re selfish d*cks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

[Anonymous]

The same people objecting to MM are the people complaining that there aren't enough workers to support their quality of life.

Who is going to commute two hours or more to make your Panera sandwich?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

“spread density out” 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The same people objecting to MM are the people complaining that there aren't enough workers to support their quality of life.

Who is going to commute two hours or more to make your Panera sandwich?

yep. and teachers and nurses and long waits in the ER …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-sin...-zoning-in-arlington

Some random civil servant complaining about something she likely didn’t fully understand.

Also how is anyone getting “rich off your back”? Did they steal something from you?

Developers are taking the existing somewhat run down housing that many lower income people would like to buy, and bidding it up, so that they can repackage and sell it at a higher price, even though those units are exactly the size and (until bid up) affordability that is in demand. But no, they need to make their bucks, so they are effectively stealing the same housing units that they are supposed to be providing, and then making them not affordable. How is this solving the problem?

It's commerce and capitalism, but they're effectively stealing the units from the people who actually need them, in the guise of providing arlington with something it needs, when they are doing the opposite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

You can live in PA or OH if you want a massive SFH with a giant yard. You don’t get to both live close to an urban center and demand other people cannot live there.

There is a capacity limit due to infrastructure, dimwit. You can’t keep packing people into the same area if sewage systems, water infrastructure, schools, etc. can’t handle it. Look at Mexico City for the nightmare that can happen. Spread density out where more infrastructure can be built for a fraction of the cost. You don’t have a god given inherent right to live where you think you should. I deserve $1000/mo rent in Jackson Hole too! Build me my home, now! lol.

wtf does Mexico City have to do with it?? (except to be the classic nonsequitur that NIMBYs love to layer on.)

don’t worry, zoning reform will prevail and we’ll all have a good laugh when only the truly mentally deranged among you are left to chain yourself to the sh*tshack teardown.

Because if you knew anything about Mexico City you'd know they entire area is sinking and it is on the path to becoming uninhabitable. The city is sinking because of too much water demand. The city's sewer systems also get constantly backed up and overflow. That's what happens when you jam pack too many people into an area and infrastructure can't handle it. You give them more water, but you didn't soe enough time to study whether massive water demand increases can cause huge issues with subsidence they can ruin vast swaths of terrain and anything built in top of it.