MM Is Dead

[Anonymous]

Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

Hard to comment on the procedural violations part, but this is quite suspect:
"In a ruling read aloud from the bench, Schell referenced testimony from witnesses about possible wastewater backups and overflows that might result from the strain additional housing could place on stormwater and sewage infrastructure.

Although a county expert testified that Arlington does, in fact, have sufficient infrastructure to support anticipated growth, the judge found “no evidence presented that the county considered likely overflows” and other localized impacts."

Are judges expert civil engineers also?

[Anonymous]

I live in McLean very close to Arlington border and I am thrilled for my neighbors. This was a poorly rolled out disaster and it deserved to be kicked out.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, it is not completely dead yet. Arlington is going to appeal the ruling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

Hard to comment on the procedural violations part, but this is quite suspect:
"In a ruling read aloud from the bench, Schell referenced testimony from witnesses about possible wastewater backups and overflows that might result from the strain additional housing could place on stormwater and sewage infrastructure.

Although a county expert testified that Arlington does, in fact, have sufficient infrastructure to support anticipated growth, the judge found “no evidence presented that the county considered likely overflows” and other localized impacts."

Are judges expert civil engineers also?

They are blatantly lying about infrastructure capacity. I know multiple proper in Arlington that have suffered from sewage backups in their house due to outdated and inadequate sewer capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

Hard to comment on the procedural violations part, but this is quite suspect:
"In a ruling read aloud from the bench, Schell referenced testimony from witnesses about possible wastewater backups and overflows that might result from the strain additional housing could place on stormwater and sewage infrastructure.

Although a county expert testified that Arlington does, in fact, have sufficient infrastructure to support anticipated growth, the judge found “no evidence presented that the county considered likely overflows” and other localized impacts."

Are judges expert civil engineers also?

"No evidence presented that the county considered"

It's the county that couldn't be bothered to consult any civil engineers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, it is not completely dead yet. Arlington is going to appeal the ruling.

Maybe, but how long can they keep paying $700/hour for outside representation?

How many losing battles can they fight on the taxpayer’s dime before someone says, ENOUGH?

Maybe they can drag it along until the next election cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha. Ha. I love it.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/27/breaking-judge-overturns-missing-middle-zoning-changes/

Hard to comment on the procedural violations part, but this is quite suspect:
"In a ruling read aloud from the bench, Schell referenced testimony from witnesses about possible wastewater backups and overflows that might result from the strain additional housing could place on stormwater and sewage infrastructure.

Although a county expert testified that Arlington does, in fact, have sufficient infrastructure to support anticipated growth, the judge found “no evidence presented that the county considered likely overflows” and other localized impacts."

Are judges expert civil engineers also?

"No evidence presented that the county considered"

It's the county that couldn't be bothered to consult any civil engineers.

The very quote says the county expert stated infrastructure was sufficient, whatever that means.

I'm no expert on Virgina zoning law, but I don't see anything obvious that requires a wastewater review or sets acceptable service levels as a requirement for zoning changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, it is not completely dead yet. Arlington is going to appeal the ruling.

Maybe, but how long can they keep paying $700/hour for outside representation?

How many losing battles can they fight on the taxpayer’s dime before someone says, ENOUGH?

Maybe they can drag it along until the next election cycle.

This news comes as attorney fees from a more expansive lawsuit against EHO have mushroomed in recent months. The county paid the law firm Gentry Locke $173,879 between March 30 and April 30, for a total of nearly $300,000 in spending since January, invoices show.

https://www.arlnow.com/2024/06/04/one-missing-middle-lawsuit-dismissed-but-the-countys-legal-fees-are-still-mounting/

That was in JUNE.

[Anonymous]

You don't understand appeals do you?

[Anonymous]

From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-singlefamily-zoning-in-arlington

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the go fund me set up for the plaintiffs: "Evidence at trial showed that Elizabeth Thurber, an Arlington County employee, warned her supervisor that: 'I cannot state in strong enough words that this is going to be devastating to the already stressed storm water conveyance system.' This concern was not shared with the public."

Other info on here from the trial suggests that 2-4 bedroom housing units selling for under $800K were being torn down and rebuilt to be sold for $1.2M under the ordinance, even though the lower priced housing were exactly what the whole "missing middle" thing was supposed to be providing to people in the first place. Developers gone wild and getting rich off our backs.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/suit-re-end-of-singlefamily-zoning-in-arlington

Let's assume Thurber is correct and actually has evidence of this, what makes this zoning change illegal and purview to judicial review as opposed to just "dumb?"

[Anonymous]

They basically want to turn the whole DMV into Mexico City. No, I do not mean that in a disparaging ethic way, but they’ll try to jam pack way too many people in a certain area just like Mexico City. And guess what’s happening to MC? The entire city is sinking because infrastructure can’t handle water and sewage demand. The city is going to collapse because there will be no more water.

Maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the god given right to live wherever they want, when they want. You build infrastructure up to a certain level with a limit. You can only sustain a population up to that limit. If you can’t afford to live there due to limit on capacity, then you simply find more affordable, less dense areas to live. The U.S. is massive. I don’t understand why we insist on making certain areas extremely dense when there is huge amounts of room and space elsewhere available that’s already far more affordable. You can live in PA, WV, or OH for much more affordable housing.

[Anonymous]

Nimbys are the worst. Seriously. You’re ruining this country.