Hairy legs in an office setting

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

Pulled aside by her supervisor at … where…. Hooters? In what workplace are you saying HR will let a manager pull a female aside to say the women must shave their legs?????

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These women will be pulled aside by a supervisor and told to shave their legs as that is the standard in a professional office setting.

It is an uncomfortable conversation for a supervisor to have.

If your daughter is doing farm work in the summer or lawn care in the summer she can probably get by with unshaved legs but it is not the standard in the US.

Pulled aside by her supervisor at … where…. Hooters? In what workplace are you saying HR will let a manager pull a female aside to say the women must shave their legs?????

Absolutely nowhere.

I’m wondering how old these people are or what century they’ve time travelled from. This would never, ever, ever happen, and if it did, the person making the request would be in legal trouble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tell her to wear pantyhose if she doesn't want to shave! Isn't that what our grandmother's generation did?

That's what I still do.

Yes! You could frame the pantyhose as a cool vintage look.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

DP. Might be time for you to step away from the computer/phone and go outside. It’s a beautiful day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

DP. Might be time for you to step away from the computer/phone and go outside. It’s a beautiful day.

Take your own advice.

[Anonymous]

Look at all these "professional" people spending all work day arguing about how long your leg should be when you are shirking work.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

Ah and there you have it. That real ‘pro-woman’ non misogynistic language of a real feminist who will definitely not be a roadblock for future women at your company.

Thanks for showing us what people with your opinion on this are really like. I’d rather be on the side of kindness, inclusion and acceptance, even if people behave or look differently than me.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

DP. Might be time for you to step away from the computer/phone and go outside. It’s a beautiful day.

Take your own advice.

I’ve got my windows wide open. My leg hair is quivering in the breeze!

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Old partner here. And 100% this. Let’s let people be who they are when it comes to their personal decisions that affect us - not one bit.

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Just buy her a pair of knee high boots and call it a day.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

DP. Might be time for you to step away from the computer/phone and go outside. It’s a beautiful day.

S/he has no response because all they have is venom towards other women.

lol @
“Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such.”
When s/he is continually doing that all over this thread. Some of these oldies are delulu and going to be in the receiving end of a lawsuit if they keep acting like this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

Sure, I’ll do some internal reflection when you stop pretending that it doesn’t matter whether a young woman just starting out bucks the trend in this way.

See, you are desperate to paint me as misogynistic and hateful towards other women but fail to see that my advice to lean towards a more conservative approach when it comes to dress and behavior for a young woman just starting out is absolutely advisable. Take leg hair out of equation. Would you tell a young woman that it’s totally fine to have blue hair in a professional environment? How about super tight and revealing clothing? While none of those things SHOULD matter, they absolutely DO matter. I think YOU are doing young women a huge disservice but setting them up for failure. I will always advise young women (AND MEN) to start out their careers humble, well dressed, well groomed, work their asses off and prove their worth with what they have to bring to the table. It gives me huge pride when I can mentor a young person and see them succeed.

You’re right that I called the poster yesterday dumb, because anyone so adamant that people in DC (corporate, law, trade organizations) walk around with busy legs is either lying or has never worked in any of those places. So, no they have nothing to bring to this conversation.

Why are you discounting someone who has 25 years of experience working in a highly professional environment. Aren’t you ashamed of possibly setting this young woman up for ridicule and an uncomfortable conversation. That’s HARDLY being supportive of your women and their rights.

Funny, because I’m actually the one you called dumb, multiple times, and insinuated that I couldn’t possibly be more than a McDonalds employee because I don’t shave my legs and don’t care if other women do. You were extremely hateful, and you want to say you didn’t sh*t on women? Cmon.

You say that I’m setting these women up for ridicule but you are setting them up for keeping quiet and following orders. Would you say the same thing to women who spoke out against sexual harassment or assault in the workplace? Women used to have to sit down and keep their mouths shut about that. I am insanely glad that women worked hard to change that, and that those old outdated notions of being successful in work are actually illegal now.

You are just out of touch, which would be fine if you were just posting on a message board. But knowing your bias is coming out in daily life, when interacting with young women day to day is quite disturbing. Instead of encouraging young women to be successful as themselves you want them to fit into the same box YOU had to fit into when just starting out, to conform. Instead of proving herself in work ethic and accomplishments you think she/we/managers should focus on… her leg hair.

If you believe women should shave their legs to be successful I guess that’s your internalized misogyny and you don’t wish to revisit it. But if you believe women shouldn’t succeed because they refuse to conform to an outdated notion and would stand in their way? That’s an entirely different story.

Why do you keep posting encouraging women to push back on these standards if you don’t truly believe in that? It’s disingenuous and comes off sarcastic and disparaging to the women who make different choices than you. Encouraging young people to be better, more inclusive and more understanding people is never a bad thing IMO. We all want our children to do better than we did, and I want the same for our young women entering the workforce.

I will repeat what I said yesterday and this time even more gladly. You are simply too dumb to keep responding to, my ferocious keyboard warrior.

DP. Might be time for you to step away from the computer/phone and go outside. It’s a beautiful day.

Take your own advice.

I’ve got my windows wide open. My leg hair is quivering in the breeze!

So brave!!!