Hairy legs in an office setting

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Anonymous wrote:If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.

Which is a good thing, right?

Can the PP please clarify the meaning of
“If she doesn't shave she'll have to get by on her skills and your connections, not her looks. Her choice.”

Obviously, that poster has had to rely on their looks to get what they want.

Is it still not clear to you that both men and women need to worry about their appearance in order to be successful in most careers?

Is it not clear to you that your comment is easily taken to suggest else? You made it sound like they wouldn't need to rely on skills and professional performance.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

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Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

That’s how progress works. Each generation has a particular set of norms to push back on.

So start pushing if you're so sure. No one is stopping you.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you all need to get with the times. I’ve seen male school administrators wearing nail polish to work, wedding coordinators at very traditional, conservative weddings with bright purple hair. Nobody cares about a high school girl’s leg hair.

So then you don't shave your legs either? Do you wear skirts and dresses to the office?

I do, but I wouldn’t care if I saw someone at work who didn’t. My high school DD only does very occasionally. This is her journey on earth, she can present herself how she wants.

So you're a hypocrite. Telling us how we must get with the times and then succumb to the pressure of shaving. Why do you do it if you're so with the times?

No, my intention was not to suggest that everyone should stop shaving. By “get with the times,” I meant that people should (at least try to) stop judging people’s choices about how they present themselves. Sorry you misunderstood.

But you still understand the societal and professional impact of not shaving, so you do it. What am I missing?

Do you not understand the difference between doing something because YOU want to do it, and expecting everyone else to do exactly as YOU do because YOU want them to?

You can wear a full face of makeup, full blowout and do an everything shower every morning before you get to work. No one else is required to follow your self imposed grooming standards. Stop judging women who don't want to fit into your tiny narrow box full of other old ladies.

Exactly. PP has probably never worked with people from a variety of cultures. Certainly isn’t c-level.

I said I work in a c-suite not that I am an excutive. It’s pretty clear your are not in a professional office environment and it’s clear why. It’s most important to you to fight some stupid leg hair battle than to be successful.

Dear, it is YOU fighting some stupid battle. The rest of us are just living our lives, some shaved, some waxed, some neither. You should try minding your own business, you may find it liberating!

I’m plenty liberated and answering OPs question. I’m just smarter than you and have figured out that work is not a place for self expression. I also don’t care that a McDonalds manager doesn’t feel the need to shave. But if you want to be successful, for now at least, that is the norm. But I get that you don’t know that.

Lol! You're so triggered by other women not wanting to remove their leg hair. It's quite bizarre that you seem to think you're the smartest person on the internet and everyone who disagrees with you is lesser somehow . Maybe someone hurt you or stifled your desires from a young age, no need to perpetuate such hate now that you're a grown adult. Insecure people lash out like you're doing, therapy may be helpful for you.

😂😂😂. OP asked for opinions and I offered one. I may not be the smartest person on the internet but I’m definitely smarter than you. Still waiting to hear what you do, since you’re so brave and qualified to answer OP.

Why do you think I have to prove myself to you? You're so hurt and yet entitled at the same time, weird mix.

I go into the office twice a week - yes, sometimes with hairy legs! Working out just fine for me, but your concern is touching.

Because you are full of shit and giving young women bad advice. That’s why.

When was the last time you saw a women in upper management with hairy legs? Does not happen.

1. perhaps because any upper management woman is of an older generation and/or
2. wears pants because that's how women tried to be taken more seriously like a man v. some chick in a skirt; but likely because
3. The generation that more prevalently does not shave is too young to have climbed the ranks to upper management yet. Also,
4. I've never looked, so I've not noticed whether any upper management woman had hairy legs or not.

And how does that contradict what I said or what OP suggested her daughter should do?

Most older women of the upper management level age today were not of a generation that eschewed leg and armpit shaving - so of course you are not likely to see them. Whereas, the younger generation is making its way up - a generation more open minded and less sexist, facilitating more hairy legged women up the career ladder. Women were wearing pants because of the projection of more masculine authority and "credibility" - not because they were hiding hairy legs. And if one isn't looking and scrutinizing women's visible legs, one doesn't see any hairy ones there may be. Maybe in your professional world you don't see any because there aren't any - which brings me back to my original points. If you can't follow the logic, I hope you're not upper management.

[Anonymous]

We had a presentation by a colleague at work. She wore a skirt, and her legs were very hairy. Clearly, this is a personal choice. I am not proud to say that I could not stop looking at the extremely hairy legs.

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Anonymous wrote:She should shave her legs or wear pants. I wish I could say it won't matter but it will.

Her generation is a lot more progressive about this but her bosses will be millennials and up and all of us shave our legs.

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GenX doesn’t care. We have teens of our own. We get it.

I’m guessing it’s mostly millennials having a fit, feeling threatened and usurped by the youth. And boomers who still wear pantyhose.

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm a millennial and solidly team DD.

I'm 57, no longer wear pantyhose but am in skirts all summer. Team DD!

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

That’s how progress works. Each generation has a particular set of norms to push back on.

So start pushing if you're so sure. No one is stopping you.

I’m tired and I like my smooth legs. But my DD doesn’t care about shaving and I support her.

I like seeing young people in the office bucking the norms. Seriously. It makes me smile. Traditional corporate dress codes are relics from another era.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You said that any woman who doesn’t shave her legs doesn’t deserve to be promoted to upper management. You’re 100% sh!tting on women, progress and equal rights. You’re kind of a nasty gross human being in total, really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

PP here. It didn't occur to me when I was younger that I needed to. I didn't care. I didn't question. I took shaving legs as what you do. But I'm older and wiser now. Even though shaved legs and armpits are still MY preference both physically feeling wise and appearance wise, I have a broader perspective. The younger generation is more pushback, more questioning. Good for them. I don't need to be brave. They don't have to be brave - but if they want to show their confidence and courage, kudos to them. I'm not "expecting" the young generation to break ceilings or social norms .... but I expect that they will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She should shave her legs or wear pants. I wish I could say it won't matter but it will.

Her generation is a lot more progressive about this but her bosses will be millennials and up and all of us shave our legs.

I am a millennial and I shave my legs but I would never care if one of my employees wore a dress and hadn't shaved her legs. It is literally none of my business.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

That’s how progress works. Each generation has a particular set of norms to push back on.

So start pushing if you're so sure. No one is stopping you.

DP. I've done the pushing I've felt compelled to do for my life. I continue to "push" by supporting and encouraging my children to do the same, especially my daughter. What is it you expect me to do to "push" now? I don't care whether the next generations of girls shave their legs or not, it no longer impacts me directly, but I support the continued efforts by those who come after me.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

Encouraging women to forge their own path IS supporting them. You don't have to do the exact thing to encourage change in the world.
Unlike you, discouraging women from being themselves and instead conforming to a male-dictated dress code that has nothing to do with a job. You could just, y'know, be supportive of young women who are trying to make the world a more inclusive place instead of standing in their way and sh!tting on them?

Never, ever did I shit on a woman so stop characterizing my words as such. What I am is not delusional that some of these things still matter.

Like I said, lead the way. Be brave, support the women as you say but leading by example. Go ahead.

You’re so insecure and full of internalized misogyny that you can’t even accept young women not shaving their legs? Why do you need to control the body hair of other women? What pride does that give you?
All you’ve done on this thread is talk about how awful that would be, how no one in management/c suite does this, and when people DO say they do it, you talk down to them as well. You are not encouraging of women. You are a roadblock to be manoeuvred around so women can feel comfortable and confident in the workplace.

Instead of quipping back with whatever catty remark you’re likely to make, you should really try some internal reflection. Why are you so opposed to young women (or any women) doing something different than you? Why are you so quick to judge someone who does something different than you as lower class, dumber or less successful? If you truly want to advocate for women and women’s rights in the workplace, starting with NOT rabidly hating women who choose different leg hair removal methodologies would be a good start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had a presentation by a colleague at work. She wore a skirt, and her legs were very hairy. Clearly, this is a personal choice. I am not proud to say that I could not stop looking at the extremely hairy legs.

Good for you! This is merely recognizing our own discomforts and respecting the choices of others. When faced with something unusual that goes against all "norms" we've held our entire lives, we are merely uncomfortable - or revolted or turned off by - those things. But it doesn't make them WRONG. Greater comfort comes with greater exposure as new norms evolve. Eventually, nobody will give two hoots (literally and figuratively) about what hair is or isn't on a woman's legs in the workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a corporate office and have never looked at anyone's legs. Hardly anyone even wears skirts anyway. You all are living back in the 80's or something.

Or like usually DCUM there is one mom here that keeps posting over and over again to humiliate her daughter and keep sexism alive and well.

^I'm an old, retired big law partner and this, this, this.

Yet I bet both of you shave your legs. And if you don't you wear pants. Such hypocrites.

That's not hypocrisy. It's trying to end the cycle of humiliation and sexism -- It ends with us!

+1
Burn the bras!!

But none of you are!!!! You just expect the young generation to be braver than you've ever been. But you love to talk smack on DCUM.

That’s how progress works. Each generation has a particular set of norms to push back on.

So start pushing if you're so sure. No one is stopping you.

I’m tired and I like my smooth legs. But my DD doesn’t care about shaving and I support her.

I like seeing young people in the office bucking the norms. Seriously. It makes me smile. Traditional corporate dress codes are relics from another era.

Agree. I'm "old-fashioned" and still prefer women shave their pits and legs. I also prefer people dressing for work, not going to school in their pajamas, etc. The "norms" are changing and all things considered, so what? I will always believe people should dress differently and appropriately for different situations - that how you dress reflects self-respect and your respect for others/the occasion. But if jacket and khakis instead of business suit and tie is that new level of appropriateness and respect, so what? I may mourn what I perceive the "losses" to be, but that doesn't necessarily make me right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She should shave her legs or wear pants. I wish I could say it won't matter but it will.

Her generation is a lot more progressive about this but her bosses will be millennials and up and all of us shave our legs.

Well, and I wouldn’t say this is a sexist thing. Because I don’t see men’s hairy legs either. If they were showing up to work in that way, I would be team DD.