Was UM, UVA, and UW Madison considered more “prestigious” back in the day?

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US News Rankings 1983

1. Stanford
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Princeton
5. Berkeley
6. Chicago
7. Michigan
8. Tie: Illinois (Urbana)/Cornell
10. MIT
11. Dartmouth
12. Caltech
13. Carnegie Mellon/Wisconsin

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

He dropped out of UVA law, because it was un-intellectual. Actually, UVA exclusively taught law during the 1870-1880s, a practice that continued well into the 1920s. Basically, UVA was a trade school for the southern elite.

Johns Hopkins, on the other hand, offered a true intellectual atmosphere, one which Wilson quickly accepted a took a PhD in American History ( focusing on law).

Believe or not, most historians of law are more proficient in the law than actual lawyers. Lawyers are more or less greasy, sweaty, pompous sophists.

UVA is still like this. Most professors are nobody’s in terms of academic profile or intelligent. The only two nationally competitive departments are for dumb rich people, business and law. To be clear, business is always for dumb people, even Harvard Business School.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US News Rankings 1983

1. Stanford
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Princeton
5. Berkeley
6. Chicago
7. Michigan
8. Tie: Illinois (Urbana)/Cornell
10. MIT
11. Dartmouth
12. Caltech
13. Carnegie Mellon/Wisconsin

80s and 90s were the glory days for Stanford. It's quite sad what's happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a troll post? "What happened?" Nothing happened. Michigan got over 110,000 applications for this incoming class and is hugely popular and "prestigious" - always has been. UVA is one of the best public colleges in the country, and Wisconsin is very popular and well respected.

Indeed, Michigan,UCLA, Virginia are THE top publics in America. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

Berkeley? UWash? Texas?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

Your post makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

He dropped out of UVA law, because it was un-intellectual. Actually, UVA exclusively taught law during the 1870-1880s, a practice that continued well into the 1920s. Basically, UVA was a trade school for the southern elite.

Johns Hopkins, on the other hand, offered a true intellectual atmosphere, one which Wilson quickly accepted a took a PhD in American History ( focusing on law).

Believe or not, most historians of law are more proficient in the law than actual lawyers. Lawyers are more or less greasy, sweaty, pompous sophists.

UVA is still like this. Most professors are nobody’s in terms of academic profile or intelligent. The only two nationally competitive departments are for dumb rich people, business and law. To be clear, business is always for dumb people, even Harvard Business School.

Thank you for your nuanced dissection of American higher education. In a world in which so many people resort to broad generalizations, it’s refreshing to find someone who can deal with the gray areas.

However, I think Wilson dropped out of UVA law for health reasons but studied it on his own & passed the bar. He apparently gave up on law after finding PRACTICING it (not studying it) to be unfulfilling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

He dropped out of UVA law, because it was un-intellectual. Actually, UVA exclusively taught law during the 1870-1880s, a practice that continued well into the 1920s. Basically, UVA was a trade school for the southern elite.

Johns Hopkins, on the other hand, offered a true intellectual atmosphere, one which Wilson quickly accepted a took a PhD in American History ( focusing on law).

Believe or not, most historians of law are more proficient in the law than actual lawyers. Lawyers are more or less greasy, sweaty, pompous sophists.

UVA is still like this. Most professors are nobody’s in terms of academic profile or intelligent. The only two nationally competitive departments are for dumb rich people, business and law. To be clear, business is always for dumb people, even Harvard Business School.

Well, you certainly have issues. Kid didn't get into UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs [b]to its law school. [/b]Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

You may be confused. Robert F. Kennedy (assassinated while Attorney General of the US) is UVA Law '51. Edward ("Ted", the lion of the Senate) was UVA Law 1959. I believe you are thinking of John F Kennedy, who attended NYU Law and could not pass the NY bar. On his third try he did, but in the interim has to resign from positions bcause he kept failing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs [b]to its law school. [/b]Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

You may be confused. Robert F. Kennedy (assassinated while Attorney General of the US) is UVA Law '51. Edward ("Ted", the lion of the Senate) was UVA Law 1959. I believe you are thinking of John F Kennedy, who attended NYU Law and could not pass the NY bar. On his third try he did, but in the interim has to resign from positions bcause he kept failing.

John F. Kennedy, Jr., not JFK. JFK did not attend law school.

Ted Kennedy was admitted to UVA law despite having an Honor Code violation, which should have been disqualifying (and likely would have been for anyone else). He had someone else take a Spanish exam for him at Harvard.

Robert Kennedy was not assassinated while Attorney General. He was no longer AG and was running for president.

[Anonymous]

What is UM?

Because Maryland is UMD and Michigan is Michigan.

Are you talking about Minnesota?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is unique among publics for the combination of its founders, its architecture, its age, its quality education, including its professional schools, and its strong connections with Ivies.

What "connections with Ivies"? It's a state school.

Wasn’t there some informal connection between UVA & Princeton? Woodrow Wilson & all that? Something about Princeton being the farthest south of the prestigious Northeastern colleges, & therefore being more inclined than the others to deal with UVA?

uh. no. Wilson attended UVA for law. Want to try that assertion again with facts?

He dropped out of UVA law, because it was un-intellectual. Actually, UVA exclusively taught law during the 1870-1880s, a practice that continued well into the 1920s. Basically, UVA was a trade school for the southern elite.

Johns Hopkins, on the other hand, offered a true intellectual atmosphere, one which Wilson quickly accepted a took a PhD in American History ( focusing on law).

Believe or not, most historians of law are more proficient in the law than actual lawyers. Lawyers are more or less greasy, sweaty, pompous sophists.

UVA is still like this. Most professors are nobody’s in terms of academic profile or intelligent. The only two nationally competitive departments are for dumb rich people, business and law. To be clear, business is always for dumb people, even Harvard Business School.

Thank you for your nuanced dissection of American higher education. In a world in which so many people resort to broad generalizations, it’s refreshing to find someone who can deal with the gray areas.

However, I think Wilson dropped out of UVA law for health reasons but studied it on his own & passed the bar. He apparently gave up on law after finding PRACTICING it (not studying it) to be unfulfilling.

Wilson was fundamentally a scholar, an intelligent progressive. I can’t think of a more idiosyncratic juxtaposition than lawyers and intelligent progressives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

You sound bitter. I’m sorry if you or your kid was rejected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not a big deal when I went to college in 1997.

Agent Starling bragged about going there though.

I went to high school in Massachusetts in the 1970s & the first thing that made me aware of UVA was that the Kennedys sent two of their dimmer bulbs to its law school. Decades ago I assumed that meant its law school was good, but now I think they probably attended because they could make some DC connections & sow a ton of wild oats without offending anyone of importance.

Nevertheless, today UVA law is ranked no 4. UVA undergrad is ranked 24 in the nation for all schools and no. 4 best public university.

The 4th best public based on metrics that favor what UVA is good at: producing unintellectual finance bros. UVA is not a leader in higher education, its PhDs fair horribly on the market, and undergraduate research is shoddy and baseless given the lack of notable faculty across disciplines (UVA has a low ranking history and math department, for example)

Sources, please.