CogAT scores are here!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When can parents appeal if the kid is not in AAP pool ?

Parents can't appeal if their kids aren't "in the pool"/selected for the universal screened but they can appeal if their child is not selected for AAP placement next year. That process begins after the AAP results are provided in mid April.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t received any email from aap@fcps yet. Does that mean my kid is not in the pool? Cogat 148 (135,152,131) NNAT 123.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school uploaded scores to ParentVue but not the full document with percentiles. It’s not yet in documents.

Quant: 138
Nonverbal: 112
Verbal: 129
Total: 133

Can anyone point me to a resources that shows how scores fall for National percentages (just curious and have had no luck on google).

We’re in an average pyramid (West Potomac) and a school of mixed SES (1/3 immersion students from all over county, 1/3 base school from Route 1 corridor (attendance island) and 1/3 base school from UMC neighborhood surrounding school. Already referred - waiting to see if kiddo gets into pool too.

in-pool notifications came out yesterday, so maybe your DC didn't make the local norm cutoff. What was their NNAT? For the West Potomac pyramid (depending on your ES), I would expect something around 132 would be the cutoff.

NNAT was 120. Have all the “in-pool” notifications gone out yet? Or are some schools still pending?

The email came from AAP@fcps, so I think the FCPS sent it out to all inpools across the county

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t received any email from aap@fcps yet. Does that mean my kid is not in the pool? Cogat 148 (135,152,131) NNAT 123.

I’d be very surprised if these scores weren’t in pool even at highest SES school. Did you check spam or email for other parent?

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Anonymous wrote:Our school uploaded scores to ParentVue but not the full document with percentiles. It’s not yet in documents.

Quant: 138
Nonverbal: 112
Verbal: 129
Total: 133

Can anyone point me to a resources that shows how scores fall for National percentages (just curious and have had no luck on google).

We’re in an average pyramid (West Potomac) and a school of mixed SES (1/3 immersion students from all over county, 1/3 base school from Route 1 corridor (attendance island) and 1/3 base school from UMC neighborhood surrounding school. Already referred - waiting to see if kiddo gets into pool too.

in-pool notifications came out yesterday, so maybe your DC didn't make the local norm cutoff. What was their NNAT? For the West Potomac pyramid (depending on your ES), I would expect something around 132 would be the cutoff.

NNAT was 120. Have all the “in-pool” notifications gone out yet? Or are some schools still pending?

The email came from AAP@fcps, so I think the FCPS sent it out to all inpools across the county

[Anonymous]

Is the email about your child being referred to be screened for AAP? Somehow it didn't show up when i was searching on my phone. Now i see it. Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t received any email from aap@fcps yet. Does that mean my kid is not in the pool? Cogat 148 (135,152,131) NNAT 123.

I’d be very surprised if these scores weren’t in pool even at highest SES school. Did you check spam or email for other parent?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our school uploaded scores to ParentVue but not the full document with percentiles. It’s not yet in documents.

Quant: 138
Nonverbal: 112
Verbal: 129
Total: 133

Can anyone point me to a resources that shows how scores fall for National percentages (just curious and have had no luck on google).

We’re in an average pyramid (West Potomac) and a school of mixed SES (1/3 immersion students from all over county, 1/3 base school from Route 1 corridor (attendance island) and 1/3 base school from UMC neighborhood surrounding school. Already referred - waiting to see if kiddo gets into pool too.

in-pool notifications came out yesterday, so maybe your DC didn't make the local norm cutoff. What was their NNAT? For the West Potomac pyramid (depending on your ES), I would expect something around 132 would be the cutoff.

NNAT was 120. Have all the “in-pool” notifications gone out yet? Or are some schools still pending?

The email came from AAP@fcps, so I think the FCPS sent it out to all inpools across the county

[Anonymous]

Yes that’s the email

[Anonymous]

Why does it matter if a race is over represented? Seems like they should make this process a lottery if there is a goal outside of merit. Or do away with aap altogether and let parents send kids to private or after school supplement.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

[Anonymous]

That’s the fudge - no transparency and arbitrary metrics to fit a goal.


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Anonymous wrote:My DD's scores: NNAT 136, COGAT Verbal 133, Quantitative 139, Nonverbal 125, Composite (VQN) 139. We did not get any notifications regarding being in-pool. I did parent referral but felt that work samples were not very strong. We are in a pretty competitive pyramid. I am prepared for either outcome but was curious if someone with experience had any feedback on these scores.

Check out page 38 and 39 here: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

The mean scores shown there for accepted students are so far below what's regularly reported here as to be totally silly. DCUM is Lake Woebegone, where "all the children are above average."

That is interesting! I also have hard time believing the report. Chatter in the neighborhood makes me think that the requirements for admission are incredibly high, though nobody is volunteering to share their scores. I completely understand, just don't really know how to interpret the scores. One parent told me that "everyone is in 99th percentile here." I suppose it could be true since the percentiles are calculated on the national level. Had a meeting with DD's classroom and AAP teachers and still completely in the dark about how she really is doing. They all gave very neutral and noncommittal answers. I do think my child is smart but I don't really have a point of reference, she is my oldest

DP. What? Do you think the scores were fudged, and that the authors are lying to you?
The same report showed that the GBRS score is significantly more important than any test scores in predicting AAP eligibility. There are plenty of kids with CogAT composite scores around 120 who get accepted if the school supports their application and gives a very strong GBRS/HOPE. Similarly, 99th percentile kids may get rejected if the school packet and GBRS/HOPE aren't especially strong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

To others, that means that they are not prepping their kids for standardized tests and likely need AAP even though their test scores are lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

To others, that means that they are not prepping their kids for standardized tests and likely need AAP even though their test scores are lower.

As it is, there is not way to justify this statement, but if "prepping" makes all the difference, let's have the schools prepare all the kids for the test and choose the ones who prepped best because that's more akin to how they will perform in the program. Preparation = improved performance

[Anonymous]

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Why does it matter if a race is over represented? Seems like they should make this process a lottery if there is a goal outside of merit. Or do away with aap altogether and let parents send kids to private or after school supplement.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

FFX county required by the state to have a gifted and talented program. They claim this is it, satisfying the requirement. Subjective whether this really is a gifted/talented program, but that's why they can't do away with it entirely without implementing something else to satisfy state requirements.

[Anonymous]

FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

[Anonymous]

Where can I find this equity report?

[Anonymous]

Does the GBRS/HOPE predict thriving in AAP more than test scores? How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

There is hope yet! I have only seen what's in Parentvue and was beginning to wonder if I would ever get them. Other 2nd grade parents from our school don't seem to have received them either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

We just got ours two weeks after yours (Jan 22, 2024). There is hope if anyone else is still waiting. Wondering if our school (Fort Hunt) is the latest, or if there are other stragglers.....?