CogAT scores are here!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weird, our schools Teachers refused to discuss AAP with parents, they said they were not allowed to. The closest we had was a Teacher saying that they knew DS would be placed in Advanced Math but that is a school placement so it was ok to discuss. I am amazed that so many people have Teachers willing to say that they think that kids belong in AAP or not.

'not allowed' is sometimes code for mediocre or bad GBRS. I'm friends with other moms with DDs in the same class, and our collectuve teacher conferences have had different vibes for AAP- bound kids v. GenEd- bound v. On-the-fence kids.
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My kid received 3 CO and 1 FO on his GBRSs and was in on the first round.

Teachers are instructed, across the County, to not discuss AAP eligibility with parents. Some schools enforce that, like mine, and some schools ignore that. The Teachers at our schools politely tell people the County policy and parents have learned to mention it once and then never again. It saves the Teachers the headache of having to have the AAP conversation with Parents. It also means that Teachers don’t have to answer why they gave scores that they gave and why your child should have gotten in when they didn’t and all sorts of other fun conversations reported here.

AARTs are told not to give out copies of packets until a certain time, some ignore that policy. The inconsistencies cause issues across the County. Some parents get frustrated with their schools toeing the line. Some parents abuse the AARTs and Teachers who don’t toe the line.

Some parents are far to invested in this program.

What is this "certain time".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weird, our schools Teachers refused to discuss AAP with parents, they said they were not allowed to. The closest we had was a Teacher saying that they knew DS would be placed in Advanced Math but that is a school placement so it was ok to discuss. I am amazed that so many people have Teachers willing to say that they think that kids belong in AAP or not.

'not allowed' is sometimes code for mediocre or bad GBRS. I'm friends with other moms with DDs in the same class, and our collectuve teacher conferences have had different vibes for AAP- bound kids v. GenEd- bound v. On-the-fence kids.
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My kid received 3 CO and 1 FO on his GBRSs and was in on the first round.

Teachers are instructed, across the County, to not discuss AAP eligibility with parents. Some schools enforce that, like mine, and some schools ignore that. The Teachers at our schools politely tell people the County policy and parents have learned to mention it once and then never again. It saves the Teachers the headache of having to have the AAP conversation with Parents. It also means that Teachers don’t have to answer why they gave scores that they gave and why your child should have gotten in when they didn’t and all sorts of other fun conversations reported here.

AARTs are told not to give out copies of packets until a certain time, some ignore that policy. The inconsistencies cause issues across the County. Some parents get frustrated with their schools toeing the line. Some parents abuse the AARTs and Teachers who don’t toe the line.

Some parents are far to invested in this program.

What is this "certain time".

I think that they are not supposed to distribute packets until after the committee has met? That is normally before the letters are sent home regarding acceptance or not. I know some AARTs give them to parents once the packets have been sent to the committee but I believe that is before when they are supposed to give them out. The idea is that parents should not get the packets until after the decision has been made so that the parents cannot badger the AART regarding the GBRSs/HOPE scores.

[Anonymous]

is 126 VQN bad score

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:is 126 VQN bad score

I don’t think your child did bad but I think other things need to be great. What was the nnat and did you have to parent refer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:is 126 VQN bad score

I don’t think your child did bad but I think other things need to be great. What was the nnat and did you have to parent refer?

126 isn’t bad but it’s not amazing either. NNAT isn’t really relevant. HOPE rating, other cogat sub scores, work samples and Iready will round out the rest of the picture. The VQN doesn’t stand alone as criteria for entry with this holistic process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:is 126 VQN bad score

I don’t think your child did bad but I think other things need to be great. What was the nnat and did you have to parent refer?

126 isn’t bad but it’s not amazing either. NNAT isn’t really relevant. HOPE rating, other cogat sub scores, work samples and Iready will round out the rest of the picture. The VQN doesn’t stand alone as criteria for entry with this holistic process.

Why would NNAT not be relevant? It is included

[Anonymous]

According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

This. The external AAP review from 2020 has tons of information that people should really acquaint themselves with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

I’m not arguing whether or not the report itself is biased. I was explaining why NNAT is the last regarded metric in the packet. Like it or not, that report guided the changes that were made to the AAP admissions process the past 3 yrs.

[Anonymous]

Asian American/Asians are over represented in AAP and TJ. The percentage of Asian kids in AAP and TJ is a good deal higher then the Asian percentage of the population, that is what over represented means. How it happens, why it happens, that it happens is not a slight, it is a fact.

Lower SES kids, who tend to be Black and Hispanic, tend to have parents who are less involved academically when the child is a baby, toddler, or school age. Those kids tend to start off not knowing their letters, numbers, shapes and the like which leads to weaker NNAt and CoGAT scores. The GBRSs/HOPE scores are not likely to match a child’s ability for that reason.

Finally, a child’s admission into AAP at a Title 1 school is not going to affect a child’s admission at a higher SES school. Stop worrying about other kids scores. The poor kid from a Title 1 school is not taking your kids spot at a middle or high SES school and that kid is not likely to be able to move into your school driving down the abilities of kids at your Center.

[Anonymous]

When can parents appeal if the kid is not in AAP pool ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When can parents appeal if the kid is not in AAP pool ?

If your child is not in pool and you didn’t parent refer, you can’t appeal bc no application was reviewed by the committee. You parent refer nxt year. If child is not in pool but you parent referred, you find out in April if your child got in or not. If they didn’t, then you can submit appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When can parents appeal if the kid is not in AAP pool ?

Did you fill out the parent referral?