CogAT scores are here!

[Anonymous]

So what was the cogat score to get this year for pool? 140?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what was the cogat score to get this year for pool? 140?

In pool is a local metric, not district wide, so it varies by school.

[Anonymous]

Mine only got 137 and was in pool, but nnat was 149. Maybe the nnat and cogat were averaged?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

We just got ours two weeks after yours (Jan 22, 2024). There is hope if anyone else is still waiting. Wondering if our school (Fort Hunt) is the latest, or if there are other stragglers.....?

May I know what are you talking about ??which numbers??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

We just got ours two weeks after yours (Jan 22, 2024). There is hope if anyone else is still waiting. Wondering if our school (Fort Hunt) is the latest, or if there are other stragglers.....?

May I know what are you talking about ??which numbers??

The detailed CoGAT scores that include percentile rank and stating. Some schools sent them home with students, uploaded them to ParentVue or mailed in December. A parent said on 1/8 (or there about) that they finally received theirs. We received my son's on 1/22 in the mail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FYI we just got our numbers in the MAIL today!

We just got ours two weeks after yours (Jan 22, 2024). There is hope if anyone else is still waiting. Wondering if our school (Fort Hunt) is the latest, or if there are other stragglers.....?

May I know what are you talking about ??which numbers??

Thank you 🙏😊
Yes We received it on December

The detailed CoGAT scores that include percentile rank and stating. Some schools sent them home with students, uploaded them to ParentVue or mailed in December. A parent said on 1/8 (or there about) that they finally received theirs. We received my son's on 1/22 in the mail.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

To others, that means that they are not prepping their kids for standardized tests and likely need AAP even though their test scores are lower.

As it is, there is not way to justify this statement, but if "prepping" makes all the difference, let's have the schools prepare all the kids for the test and choose the ones who prepped best because that's more akin to how they will perform in the program. Preparation = improved performance

The gifted program is for gifted students. Not all students who are academically focused overachievers are gifted. Prepping for a psychoeducational evaluation completely defeats the purpose and renders the results invalid. If you enrolled your kid in cogat prep or in any way prepped them for it, the score is completely meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this group the NNAT is the least-reliable and least-regarded metric. Who knows if that's true 🤷

It’s not according to this group. The AAP equity report showed it to be the least reliable metric. The committee knows this.

The equity report states that blacks and hispanics score higher on GBRS than expected, given their IQ test scores. To me that means teachers are arbitrarily rating minority kids higher. That same report states asians are "disproportionally overrepresented", even though that group scored the highest on the standardized tests. The report was clearly written by people with an agenda.

However, I would guess the PP is correct. NNAT and CoGat really don't matter that much. It's all about the teacher's opinion (GBRS/HOPE)

To others, that means that they are not prepping their kids for standardized tests and likely need AAP even though their test scores are lower.

As it is, there is not way to justify this statement, but if "prepping" makes all the difference, let's have the schools prepare all the kids for the test and choose the ones who prepped best because that's more akin to how they will perform in the program. Preparation = improved performance

The gifted program is for gifted students. Not all students who are academically focused overachievers are gifted. Prepping for a psychoeducational evaluation completely defeats the purpose and renders the results invalid. If you enrolled your kid in cogat prep or in any way prepped them for it, the score is completely meaningless.

Prepped both my kids. One did not do well and another did exceptionally well. Thanks to prep, atleast one made it to the school basketball team.

[Anonymous]

I am new to this process so am trying to understand how raw vs percentile scores are used. I hear about a cut point with a raw score and I find this super confusing. Does the cut point mean that a child can be 99th percentile nationally but not get into AAP (let's say level IV center) while in the 99th percentile?

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Anonymous wrote:I am new to this process so am trying to understand how raw vs percentile scores are used. I hear about a cut point with a raw score and I find this super confusing. Does the cut point mean that a child can be 99th percentile nationally but not get into AAP (let's say level IV center) while in the 99th percentile?

Kinda. The narional percentile scores are not taken into account for AAP selection. To be "in pool", your DC's score needs to be in the top 10% score at their school. For instance, a 130 might be 98%tipe nationwide, but only 70%tile at Churchill Road.

Inpool doesn't mean admissions into AAP. It means automatic referral (read: application). You can always refer manually.

It's generally thought that high GBRS/HOPE scores are the primary factors that determine admissions into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to this process so am trying to understand how raw vs percentile scores are used. I hear about a cut point with a raw score and I find this super confusing. Does the cut point mean that a child can be 99th percentile nationally but not get into AAP (let's say level IV center) while in the 99th percentile?

Kinda. The narional percentile scores are not taken into account for AAP selection. To be "in pool", your DC's score needs to be in the top 10% score at their school. For instance, a 130 might be 98%tipe nationwide, but only 70%tile at Churchill Road.

Inpool doesn't mean admissions into AAP. It means automatic referral (read: application). You can always refer manually.

It's generally thought that high GBRS/HOPE scores are the primary factors that determine admissions into AAP.

Pp here. Thank you! My child is coming from a private school so what does that mean for their "pool"? I also am baffled how a 99 percentile doesn't automatically mean going to AAP. I get having the application process for students who don't test well but not adhering to the 99th percentile at least is ridiculous and makes it completely arbitrary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to this process so am trying to understand how raw vs percentile scores are used. I hear about a cut point with a raw score and I find this super confusing. Does the cut point mean that a child can be 99th percentile nationally but not get into AAP (let's say level IV center) while in the 99th percentile?

Kinda. The narional percentile scores are not taken into account for AAP selection. To be "in pool", your DC's score needs to be in the top 10% score at their school. For instance, a 130 might be 98%tipe nationwide, but only 70%tile at Churchill Road.

Inpool doesn't mean admissions into AAP. It means automatic referral (read: application). You can always refer manually.

It's generally thought that high GBRS/HOPE scores are the primary factors that determine admissions into AAP.

Pp here. Thank you! My child is coming from a private school so what does that mean for their "pool"? I also am baffled how a 99 percentile doesn't automatically mean going to AAP. I get having the application process for students who don't test well but not adhering to the 99th percentile at least is ridiculous and makes it completely arbitrary.

NP. I think in this case you might need to refer your child yourself. My understanding is that sometimes 99 percentile is not high enough to be competitive (for example: 135 and 145 could both be 99 percentile, but 135 is not a solid score in some highly competitive schools). Also, they are looking at other materials such as work samples and HOPE to see if the kids are driven students with creative/critical thinking. Ideally they are looking for students with good grades and other good attributes.

[Anonymous]

Pp here. Thank you! My child is coming from a private school so what does that mean for their "pool"? I also am baffled how a 99 percentile doesn't automatically mean going to AAP. I get having the application process for students who don't test well but not adhering to the 99th percentile at least is ridiculous and makes it completely arbitrary.

Coming from a private school means the "in pool" discussion is irrelevant for your child. You have to parent refer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am new to this process so am trying to understand how raw vs percentile scores are used. I hear about a cut point with a raw score and I find this super confusing. Does the cut point mean that a child can be 99th percentile nationally but not get into AAP (let's say level IV center) while in the 99th percentile?

Kinda. The narional percentile scores are not taken into account for AAP selection. To be "in pool", your DC's score needs to be in the top 10% score at their school. For instance, a 130 might be 98%tipe nationwide, but only 70%tile at Churchill Road.

Inpool doesn't mean admissions into AAP. It means automatic referral (read: application). You can always refer manually.

It's generally thought that high GBRS/HOPE scores are the primary factors that determine admissions into AAP.

Pp here. Thank you! My child is coming from a private school so what does that mean for their "pool"? I also am baffled how a 99 percentile doesn't automatically mean going to AAP. I get having the application process for students who don't test well but not adhering to the 99th percentile at least is ridiculous and makes it completely arbitrary.

NP. I think in this case you might need to refer your child yourself. My understanding is that sometimes 99 percentile is not high enough to be competitive (for example: 135 and 145 could both be 99 percentile, but 135 is not a solid score in some highly competitive schools). Also, they are looking at other materials such as work samples and HOPE to see if the kids are driven students with creative/critical thinking. Ideally they are looking for students with good grades and other good attributes.

Pp. Thanks! So I put in the application and my child is measured against whom? This feels very much like applying to college or grad school at this point.

[Anonymous]

The school that is your base or the center school candidates or to nobody we don’t really know.