You are SO not invited to my bat mitzvah - movie on netflix

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Adam Sandler may have been brought up on the east coast but he lives in LA. I can assure you in LA synagogues have plenty of diversity. So that is his version of authentic Jewish life, too bad it doesn’t fit with yours.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

And people have pointed out there were exactly three kids of color you are screaming about.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

And people have pointed out there were exactly three kids of color you are screaming about.

Who again, barely had any dialogue, personalities and were just props for the main characters.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

You're correct, but the poster you're responding to is being willfully obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

You're correct, but the poster you're responding to is being willfully obtuse.

Since we’re being so obtuse, can you explain again your concern about the presence of Jews of Color children who had minor roles and were not main characters? Truly, I don’t understand your objection when the main characters were white Jews.

Can you imagine if they made Stacey Friedman Black?? What would you have done then.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.

Again, no problem with diversification. Certainly welcome diversity in my synagogue. The point that I and other posters were making is that it was overdone in the movie to a level that did not accurately represent the reality of the makeup of most congregations. If you want to call that racism, be my guest. Any hint of suggestions that inclusion is being overdone is called racism, so we can’t have a dialogue about this.

You're correct, but the poster you're responding to is being willfully obtuse.

Time and again others have pointed out to you that it was not overdone and representative of their congregations.