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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty sad how invested some posters are in maintaining “Jewish identity” as white.

You have missed the point. It isn't about "whiteness " but it is about descent from Jews. They may read as "white" to people who have race on the brain, but we have long had our own thing going on and have preserved our peoplehood across millenia in spite of severe efforts to penalize us for resisting assimilation. Not sure how Adam Sandler, the guy who always told us we should feel seen for who we have always been, inserted this celebration of assimilation into his recent movie.

So when you see Jews of Color or people of color in Jewish spaces, this is what you are thinking? That it represents assimilation? Rather than the continuation of the Jewish people? You would prefer that they (we) simply opt out of organized Judaism?
Wow, I hope you aren’t members at our shul.

DP. Jeez, no one is saying that. We are saying that the diversity in the movie felt like more of a bow to woke cultural standards than it did to accurately representing diversity in the Jewish community. The fact of the matter is that there is some diversity in judaism, but far from the extent portrayed in the movie. It was like bridgerton casting that was completely blind to the actual profile of the demographic they were portraying. And some of us find that obnoxious in a movie that is already about a minority ethnicity.

Many people didn’t have any issues with Bridgerton casting but I guess I know who the ones posting crazy stuff in those threads are.
I’m still confused why this is bothersome, especially since I understand that the movie was produced by a Jew (Adam Sandler) so these where choices that he made.
Again, why are so you so invested in maintaining racial purity (having the Jewish characters portrayed as white) that you are upset about 3 / 16 kids in the class being Jews of Color? Oh, I get it, Jewish spaces were “safe” places for you to shelter yourself from the changing demographics of the US.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty sad how invested some posters are in maintaining “Jewish identity” as white.

You have missed the point. It isn't about "whiteness " but it is about descent from Jews. They may read as "white" to people who have race on the brain, but we have long had our own thing going on and have preserved our peoplehood across millenia in spite of severe efforts to penalize us for resisting assimilation. Not sure how Adam Sandler, the guy who always told us we should feel seen for who we have always been, inserted this celebration of assimilation into his recent movie.

So when you see Jews of Color or people of color in Jewish spaces, this is what you are thinking? That it represents assimilation? Rather than the continuation of the Jewish people? You would prefer that they (we) simply opt out of organized Judaism?
Wow, I hope you aren’t members at our shul.

DP. Jeez, no one is saying that. We are saying that the diversity in the movie felt like more of a bow to woke cultural standards than it did to accurately representing diversity in the Jewish community. The fact of the matter is that there is some diversity in judaism, but far from the extent portrayed in the movie. It was like bridgerton casting that was completely blind to the actual profile of the demographic they were portraying. And some of us find that obnoxious in a movie that is already about a minority ethnicity.

Many people didn’t have any issues with Bridgerton casting but I guess I know who the ones posting crazy stuff in those threads are.
I’m still confused why this is bothersome, especially since I understand that the movie was produced by a Jew (Adam Sandler) so these where choices that he made.
Again, why are so you so invested in maintaining racial purity (having the Jewish characters portrayed as white) that you are upset about 3 / 16 kids in the class being Jews of Color? Oh, I get it, Jewish spaces were “safe” places for you to shelter yourself from the changing demographics of the US.

Are you Jewish? If not, I suggest you can it.

Nothing wrong with bridgerton other than historical inaccuracy. Since accuracy wasn’t the point, that’s fine. There is also no one alive from the period it’s set in to take offense to it.

It feels disingenuous for the movie to portray Jews, a heavily persecuted people, by other minorities. It feels like we have to pretend to look like the rest of the population in order to have a mainstream movie. I have no problem with inclusion and diversity and I didn’t really care about it in the movie other than it didn’t feel realistic and it felt like virtue signaling.

There were way more than three white kids in the Hebrew school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty sad how invested some posters are in maintaining “Jewish identity” as white.

You have missed the point. It isn't about "whiteness " but it is about descent from Jews. They may read as "white" to people who have race on the brain, but we have long had our own thing going on and have preserved our peoplehood across millenia in spite of severe efforts to penalize us for resisting assimilation. Not sure how Adam Sandler, the guy who always told us we should feel seen for who we have always been, inserted this celebration of assimilation into his recent movie.

So when you see Jews of Color or people of color in Jewish spaces, this is what you are thinking? That it represents assimilation? Rather than the continuation of the Jewish people? You would prefer that they (we) simply opt out of organized Judaism?
Wow, I hope you aren’t members at our shul.

DP. Jeez, no one is saying that. We are saying that the diversity in the movie felt like more of a bow to woke cultural standards than it did to accurately representing diversity in the Jewish community. The fact of the matter is that there is some diversity in judaism, but far from the extent portrayed in the movie. It was like bridgerton casting that was completely blind to the actual profile of the demographic they were portraying. And some of us find that obnoxious in a movie that is already about a minority ethnicity.

Many people didn’t have any issues with Bridgerton casting but I guess I know who the ones posting crazy stuff in those threads are.
I’m still confused why this is bothersome, especially since I understand that the movie was produced by a Jew (Adam Sandler) so these where choices that he made.
Again, why are so you so invested in maintaining racial purity (having the Jewish characters portrayed as white) that you are upset about 3 / 16 kids in the class being Jews of Color? Oh, I get it, Jewish spaces were “safe” places for you to shelter yourself from the changing demographics of the US.

Are you Jewish? If not, I suggest you can it.

Nothing wrong with bridgerton other than historical inaccuracy. Since accuracy wasn’t the point, that’s fine. There is also no one alive from the period it’s set in to take offense to it.

It feels disingenuous for the movie to portray Jews, a heavily persecuted people, by other minorities. It feels like we have to pretend to look like the rest of the population in order to have a mainstream movie. I have no problem with inclusion and diversity and I didn’t really care about it in the movie other than it didn’t feel realistic and it felt like virtue signaling.

There were way more than three white kids in the Hebrew school.

Yes I am Jewish, a Jew of Color actually. I also have Jewish children and I’m sad and angry that if you see them (or me), you won’t perceive them as fellow Jews. I hope you don’t act on your views when you are in shul.

I’m sorry that you feel threatened by the portrayal of Jewish kids by non white actors. But, you have no idea of any of them are Jewish. Did you also check into all of the white actors to ensure that they are Jewish as well? Or did that not matter because they were white?

My family also includes Holocaust survivors and entire branches of the family wiped out by the Nazis. So I don’t need to get lectured on persecution by you.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty sad how invested some posters are in maintaining “Jewish identity” as white.

You have missed the point. It isn't about "whiteness " but it is about descent from Jews. They may read as "white" to people who have race on the brain, but we have long had our own thing going on and have preserved our peoplehood across millenia in spite of severe efforts to penalize us for resisting assimilation. Not sure how Adam Sandler, the guy who always told us we should feel seen for who we have always been, inserted this celebration of assimilation into his recent movie.

So when you see Jews of Color or people of color in Jewish spaces, this is what you are thinking? That it represents assimilation? Rather than the continuation of the Jewish people? You would prefer that they (we) simply opt out of organized Judaism?
Wow, I hope you aren’t members at our shul.

DP. Jeez, no one is saying that. We are saying that the diversity in the movie felt like more of a bow to woke cultural standards than it did to accurately representing diversity in the Jewish community. The fact of the matter is that there is some diversity in judaism, but far from the extent portrayed in the movie. It was like bridgerton casting that was completely blind to the actual profile of the demographic they were portraying. And some of us find that obnoxious in a movie that is already about a minority ethnicity.

Many people didn’t have any issues with Bridgerton casting but I guess I know who the ones posting crazy stuff in those threads are.
I’m still confused why this is bothersome, especially since I understand that the movie was produced by a Jew (Adam Sandler) so these where choices that he made.
Again, why are so you so invested in maintaining racial purity (having the Jewish characters portrayed as white) that you are upset about 3 / 16 kids in the class being Jews of Color? Oh, I get it, Jewish spaces were “safe” places for you to shelter yourself from the changing demographics of the US.

Are you Jewish? If not, I suggest you can it.

Nothing wrong with bridgerton other than historical inaccuracy. Since accuracy wasn’t the point, that’s fine. There is also no one alive from the period it’s set in to take offense to it.

It feels disingenuous for the movie to portray Jews, a heavily persecuted people, by other minorities. It feels like we have to pretend to look like the rest of the population in order to have a mainstream movie. I have no problem with inclusion and diversity and I didn’t really care about it in the movie other than it didn’t feel realistic and it felt like virtue signaling.

There were way more than three white kids in the Hebrew school.

Yes I am Jewish, a Jew of Color actually. I also have Jewish children and I’m sad and angry that if you see them (or me), you won’t perceive them as fellow Jews. I hope you don’t act on your views when you are in shul.

I’m sorry that you feel threatened by the portrayal of Jewish kids by non white actors. But, you have no idea of any of them are Jewish. Did you also check into all of the white actors to ensure that they are Jewish as well? Or did that not matter because they were white?

My family also includes Holocaust survivors and entire branches of the family wiped out by the Nazis. So I don’t need to get lectured on persecution by you.

DP here, but wow you missed the point of what the poster you're responding to said.

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Anonymous wrote:Was that their day school or their weekend Hebrew school?

I didn’t understand the Ecuadorian exchange student or whatever.

I think they attended a regular school during the week and the Hebrew school was held at their temple on the weekend.

Now I really don’t understand the nonjews at the weekend Hebrew school.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Was that their day school or their weekend Hebrew school?

I didn’t understand the Ecuadorian exchange student or whatever.

I think they attended a regular school during the week and the Hebrew school was held at their temple on the weekend.

I don't think this is correct. I think they attended a private Hebrew day school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s pretty sad how invested some posters are in maintaining “Jewish identity” as white.

You have missed the point. It isn't about "whiteness " but it is about descent from Jews. They may read as "white" to people who have race on the brain, but we have long had our own thing going on and have preserved our peoplehood across millenia in spite of severe efforts to penalize us for resisting assimilation. Not sure how Adam Sandler, the guy who always told us we should feel seen for who we have always been, inserted this celebration of assimilation into his recent movie.

So when you see Jews of Color or people of color in Jewish spaces, this is what you are thinking? That it represents assimilation? Rather than the continuation of the Jewish people? You would prefer that they (we) simply opt out of organized Judaism?
Wow, I hope you aren’t members at our shul.

DP. Jeez, no one is saying that. We are saying that the diversity in the movie felt like more of a bow to woke cultural standards than it did to accurately representing diversity in the Jewish community. The fact of the matter is that there is some diversity in judaism, but far from the extent portrayed in the movie. It was like bridgerton casting that was completely blind to the actual profile of the demographic they were portraying. And some of us find that obnoxious in a movie that is already about a minority ethnicity.

Many people didn’t have any issues with Bridgerton casting but I guess I know who the ones posting crazy stuff in those threads are.
I’m still confused why this is bothersome, especially since I understand that the movie was produced by a Jew (Adam Sandler) so these where choices that he made.
Again, why are so you so invested in maintaining racial purity (having the Jewish characters portrayed as white) that you are upset about 3 / 16 kids in the class being Jews of Color? Oh, I get it, Jewish spaces were “safe” places for you to shelter yourself from the changing demographics of the US.

Are you Jewish? If not, I suggest you can it.

Nothing wrong with bridgerton other than historical inaccuracy. Since accuracy wasn’t the point, that’s fine. There is also no one alive from the period it’s set in to take offense to it.

It feels disingenuous for the movie to portray Jews, a heavily persecuted people, by other minorities. It feels like we have to pretend to look like the rest of the population in order to have a mainstream movie. I have no problem with inclusion and diversity and I didn’t really care about it in the movie other than it didn’t feel realistic and it felt like virtue signaling.

There were way more than three white kids in the Hebrew school.

Yes I am Jewish, a Jew of Color actually. I also have Jewish children and I’m sad and angry that if you see them (or me), you won’t perceive them as fellow Jews. I hope you don’t act on your views when you are in shul.

I’m sorry that you feel threatened by the portrayal of Jewish kids by non white actors. But, you have no idea of any of them are Jewish. Did you also check into all of the white actors to ensure that they are Jewish as well? Or did that not matter because they were white?

My family also includes Holocaust survivors and entire branches of the family wiped out by the Nazis. So I don’t need to get lectured on persecution by you.

DP here, but wow you missed the point of what the poster you're responding to said.

I didn’t miss the point. I just don’t agree with it and am providing a different perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Yes, this is exactly the correct description of those posters complaining about "virtue signaling" and "woke" in this coming-of-age movie.

Just the mere existence of Jewish kids of color on the screen was triggering for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

That’s not the right analogy. This is a movie about the Jewish community *today* not 1950, 1970 or 1990. Many posters have pointed out their personal experiences in diverse Jewish congregations, especially in religious school. It would actually be inaccurate to have had the entire movie cast be white.

And, as was pointed out earlier, all the main characters and probably 95% of the dialogue is by white actors.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:I went back and looked at two scenes where they are in a classroom for religious purposes. In a class of roughly 16 kids, there were 3 non-white kids. The bigger issue might be the gender imbalance because there are only 5 boys. I'm not bothered by it, but I'm also not bothered by the non-white kids.

So the PPs are getting worked up about 3 Jews of Color out of 16 kids? Wow.

DP here: those three (arguably) got a disproportionate share of screen time/speaking parts than the other ancillary kids in the class (excluding the two main girls + their boy crush).

Still, this is much ado about nothing.

“Excluding the 2 main girls and boy crush,” aka all main characters in the movie are white (these 3, the parents, the sister, the 2 “sidekick” friends, the rabbi and cantor).

So people upset that people of color were essentially window dressing in the movie! (None of of those characters had any real character development or lines except to be foils for the main storyline).

Nobody is “upset,” they are just pointing out that it is not an accurate reflection of their congregation.

A PP asked if we’re bothered by the white peoples playing Jews too. I love this question because when all the race conversations come up, like Whoopi Goldberg calling Jews white, that’s okay and warranted, but here we get flamed for saying the same thing.

Yes, historically speaking, most Jews of ashkenazi descent have been white. There are Sephardic Jews (are they considered of color?), Ethiopian Jews, and many more intermarriages now, so there are Asian Jews, Black Jews, etc. but I can count on one hand the number of those families who attend my synagogue let alone are in one particular Hebrew school class. Therefore the casting felt like virtue signaling. It also felt disingenuous to a story about Jewish people, who are already a minority. Let’s cast white people in a movie about black people during the civil rights movement and see how well that goes over.

TBH, your very intense focus on the very few Jewish kids of color in the movie is indicative of internal racial animosity. Sit with that for a sec and get back to us.

Their presence was a nothingburger and they barely had any dialogue.

Thank you PP! I’m the Jew of Color poster who was wondering if I was alone in this dialogue. I really think this PP needs to do some reflection on why she is so threatened by the depiction of the Jewish community as having non white children.

Honestly, it’s not that different from middle American white people who are upset about the diversification of the United States, and that white people will be a minority. They experience this as a sense of loss. This is otherwise known as the Replacement Theory- and guess what?! They lump Jews into this group too (“Jews will not replace us.”).

So I would kindly suggest that you see your struggle against anti-Semitism to be one that is aligned with with those of us continuing to fight against racism and defending DEI.