Britney & Sam split

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is her mental condition and what caused it or has she always had it? I know no one here knows the true answer, but I am so curious.

I believe she was diagnosed bipolar but she does seem to have intellectual limitations as well.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is her mental condition and what caused it or has she always had it? I know no one here knows the true answer, but I am so curious.

I believe she was diagnosed bipolar but she does seem to have intellectual limitations as well.

NP. I’ve read that she’s bipolar, but there’s speculation that it’s something more severe than that which they won’t disclose.

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Good thing they didn’t have a child.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

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You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

Britney does not appear to be one of those (rare) people. Her family should not judge and hate her for her behavior because she is not well. Unwell people don’t think “I just need to take my meds on time today” - they don’t take their meds. She needs help and neither her father nor her husband were up for the task.

NP, and I’m sure I’ll get accused of being a Jamie defender, but when she was under the conservatorship she was getting help and was able to be functional. I don’t think Jamie and Sam are the most honorable people, but from San’s perspective the person he dated and married had her mental health issues constantly monitored and treated. It’s not that shocking that since she was “freed” she has gone off the rails and he is like oh hell no I did not sign up for this sh!t.

DP. We actually don’t know what Jamie was doing because the main difference was that her interaction with the public was more tightly constrained. Even before the conservatorship was ended there were stories that her medications had ceased being effective and they were struggling to find something else so she was probably always like this behind the scenes.

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Anonymous wrote:Those of you defending Jamie - have you watched any of the documentaries? He was a terrible father and helped himself to her riches. I have no idea why her mother seemed to just step away completely. This woman needed a professional, ethical, humane conservator and that was not her father.

This is flat out not true. He would be in jail if he did something wrong. She has spiraled since he is out and that is facts.

DP. It’s well-known that he assaulted her boys and yet he continues to be out of jail.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

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She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

NP. What crap. If it were a man that had been providing, gender reversal, you wouldn’t be saying this at all. Britney has refused medical care and has been nothing but an embarrassment to those kids. The least she could do is support them. They owe her nothing. Best thing they could do is move away.

DP. I agree with you with respect to the kids. They didn’t ask to be born and don’t really owe her anything. However the Kevin praise really gets me. He chose to have children with a severely mentally ill person who was then unable to co-parent. Then he took care of his own children. Like wouldn’t any normal person do that? And he hasn’t really led by example in terms of giving the boys good values as he hasn’t worked, hasn’t gotten any sort of additional schooling , and has a billion kids with three different women. I also find it hard to believe moving to Hawaii during one of your kids senior years of high school is the best move for him. He’s also going to cause a tremendous amount of stress for his kids when he has no money after CS ends. And I would say the same thing if he were a woman and in fact many of these women like Nicole Murphy and Diddy’s first baby Mama Mika do go broke as soon as the kids turn 18.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

Britney does not appear to be one of those (rare) people. Her family should not judge and hate her for her behavior because she is not well. Unwell people don’t think “I just need to take my meds on time today” - they don’t take their meds. She needs help and neither her father nor her husband were up for the task.

She hasn't ever really shown maturity or a willingness to get help even before the conservatorship. It is so sad to see the latest pics of her alone and making a midnight run for food.

Making a midnight run for food is...sad?

You clearly didn’t see the pictures. She looked awful. She was braless and wearing a shirt that showed every outline of her breasts/nipples. She was carrying a cocktail glass that was supposedly a “raspberry lemonade.”

Making a midnight run for food isn’t necessarily sad, but the pictures of her doing so certainly are.

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Anonymous wrote:Sam is exactly the kind of person the conservatorship protected her from. There’s probably another mooch waiting in the wings.

She started dating Sam in 2016 when he was 21 and when she was still in the conservatorship. Almost the entirety of their relationship, including their engagement was while she was under the conservatorship. The only thing the conservatorship prevented her from doing was marrying him or goin goff birth control. She got married to him and pregnant shortly after it ended.

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CNN:

Britney Spears has shared some thoughts about her split from Sam Asghari.

The entertainer posted a dance video to her verified Instagram on Friday night, and in the caption, she wrote, “As everyone knows, Hesam and I are no longer together,” using her estranged husband’s birth name.

Spears went on to write “6 years is a long time to be with someone so, I’m a little shocked but … I’m not here to explain why because its honestly nobody’s business!”

“But, I couldn’t take the pain anymore honestly,” she continued, later adding, “I’ve been playing it strong for way too long and my Instagram may seem perfectbut it’s far from reality and I think we all know that !!! I would love to show my emotions and tears on how I really feel but some reason I’ve always had to hide my weaknesses!”

The “Everytime” singer also addressed her father – who held her in a conservatorship for over a decade until 2021 – in the post.

“If I wasn’t my dad’s strong soldier, I would be sent away to places to get fixed by doctors !!! But that’s when I needed family the most,” she wrote, adding, “You’re supposed to be loved unconditionally … not under conditions!”

Toward the end of her message, Spears assured followers she “will be as strong as I can and do my best!”

The video showed the pop icon wiping sweat before dancing to Janet Jackson’s “If” while wearing a black top, neon green thong and black boots. The clip is similar to several dance videos found on her feed.[\quote]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

NP. What crap. If it were a man that had been providing, gender reversal, you wouldn’t be saying this at all. Britney has refused medical care and has been nothing but an embarrassment to those kids. The least she could do is support them. They owe her nothing. Best thing they could do is move away.

DP. I agree with you with respect to the kids. They didn’t ask to be born and don’t really owe her anything. However the Kevin praise really gets me. He chose to have children with a severely mentally ill person who was then unable to co-parent. Then he took care of his own children. Like wouldn’t any normal person do that? And he hasn’t really led by example in terms of giving the boys good values as he hasn’t worked, hasn’t gotten any sort of additional schooling , and has a billion kids with three different women. I also find it hard to believe moving to Hawaii during one of your kids senior years of high school is the best move for him. He’s also going to cause a tremendous amount of stress for his kids when he has no money after CS ends. And I would say the same thing if he were a woman and in fact many of these women like Nicole Murphy and Diddy’s first baby Mama Mika do go broke as soon as the kids turn 18.

PP you responded to, and I agree with you as well regarding Kevin. Both parents are a train wreck.

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I think it's very telling that she makes the statement about "getting sent away to get fixed by doctors." Sadly, she has a history of being resistant to help and meds. Mental illness isn't fair, and it's a hard diagnosis to accept. Nonetheless, she needs to address it and not excuse her behaviors and choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sad for her. I think she definitely needs someone (maybe not her family) to help manage her, but she needs something or someone. It's heartbreaking. I'm still rooting for her.

This. Whether or not her dad was the correct person to manage her, or took advantage of the role, is one conversation. It’s heartbreakingly apparent that she DOES need a conservator. Presumably after this many years, if there was a magic cocktail of meds to put her on to that would make her fully capable of handling her own affairs, estate, and decisions, they would have found it. But they haven’t.

She’s just not an adult with full critical
Thinking capacity, which is unfortunate but not debatable.

+ 1. Now one should defend Jamie Spears. What he did was wrong and he took full advantage of her. But it’s clear there should be a middle ground here.

Maybe one day her boys will mature, grow up, see what an absolute leech loser their Dad is, and come save/ take care of their Mom.
One can hope & dream.

Bite your tongue. No child should be responsible for saving or taking care of their seriously mentally ill mother who despite having a fortune of resources refuses to get herself the professional help that she needs.

Anyway the more likely scenario is that at some point in the near future the boys become her exploiters. She’s a cash cow who has done little to foster a close and loving relationship with her sons that would compel them to highest principles, after all.

+1

She is not her kids’ responsibility.

Can you read? I never said it was her kid's responsibility.
I was hoping her sons would grown up, see what a parasite cretin their dad Kevin Federline is, and come show love and compassion for their very exploited mother.

The only parent they ever had is Kevin. Have you seen Britney’s Instagram posts? You think that is showing love to her sons? It’s incredibly embarrassing. She is mentally unwell but she was never a mother to them.

Again, your reading comprehensive problem is obvious.
I wrote of her SONS having compassion and love for their mother after they are mature enough to see the entire picture of Brittany's mental illness and Kevin Federline, Jamie Spear's exploitation.

Everyone is reading and comprehending what you said just fine. You knock Kevin and ask her kids to have compassion for her. She doesn’t deserve that from them and they don’t have to. Just because no one agrees with you doesn’t mean they can’t read.

Baloney. Those kids have everything because of her. Kevin barely works and moved to Hawaii where child support lasts longer than ca since the kids were getting close to running out. At some point they should know that mom has issues but deserves love and their life is financed by her. They are bratty. Even the argument with Jamie.

So you are saying kids are required to love any parent who pays money to their other parent who did all the parenting and raising? A low bar for an expectation of love. A lot of deadbeat dads are according to you deserving of their children's love because they deposited money each month.

+1

You are arguing that a kid should love and forgive their parents no matter what as long as they provide them enough money to not struggle through childhood. This is a really sad argument and not a burden any child should have.

Not that poster but it sounds like some of you are suggesting that mentally ill people shouldn’t be loved or forgiven. Equally wrong. They cannot control themselves. As adults, hopefully they will find a way to love and appreciate what she did given her limitations.

You have a very old fashioned view of mental illness. Only a very small percentage of people with mental illness can't control themselves. There are people all around you with mental illness - depression, anxiety, OCD etc and even psychotic disorders like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia who are still functional people with control. Medication and treatment can help with that. It isn't about not deserving to be loved - but you can't make or force children to love a parent who due to mental illness and resistance to treatment has treated them poorly. And they may love her in their own way but have chosen to not be in her life as that is healthier for them. There are things Britney can control and sufficiently that the judge lifted the conservatorship and put her in complete control of her own life and choices. While she and Kanye and others do make poor decisions influenced by their illnesses, they still have control and make choices. They have been deemed competent to manage their own lives and affairs.

You have an ignorant or innocent understanding of serious mental illness. We’re not talking about manageable/treatable anxiety or depression. They often don’t take their meds and that’s because they’re not well enough to manage them. That’s why so many live on the street. So yes, someone needs to be taking care of her. Her dad was not the right person for this because he has his own issues. She is obviously not well enough to handle herself so why would you champion a kid writing off a parent who has been unwell and used their whole lives. If an intellectually deficient person has a child, do you suggest the kid write their parent off because they weren’t competent? It’s the same thing.

There is no evidence her kids are writing her off. They have said they would like to have a relationship when she is healthy enough to respect their boundaries and to act appropriately. They didn't choose her as a mother, they are under no obligation to as a teens/ young adults take on the care and keeping of their mother who has resisted all efforts to help her. They should be focused on their own lives and being healthy and moving forward. If and when Britney decides to get treatment and be healthier then her kids may choose to change the current relationship. The judge determined that she did not need a conservatorship, that means she was deemed competent and able to manage herself. I am very aware of serious mental illness - and your view that her children owe her and should be harming themselves by having a relationship with her and sacrificing their own well-being would not be advised by anyone who works in mental health. Just like when Kanye was doing his anti semitic rants, it isn't on his kids to support him and be there for him and love him and forgive him and take on his erratic or disinhibited behaviour. Britney's kids know she has mental illness but they are still impacted by her choices.

And you said people with mental illness can not control themselves. That is patently false. People with schizophrenia and bipolar can also receive treatment and live competent independent functional and productive lives. It isn't about the specifc illness. Severe anxiety or depression or OCD or PTSD can be just as debilitating as a psychotic illness, and more so in some cases. All mental illnesses exist on a spectrum of severity.

An intellectual disability and a mental illness are very different. And yet I would not say a child, teen or young adult needs to take on the care and keeping or management or have a specific loving relatiosnhip with a sibling or parent with an intellectual disability who has treated them poorly and who is not safe for them to be around.

Your overly positive statement about schizophrenia is erroneous.

No it isn't. The idea that everyone with schizophrenia is incompetent or severely ill is pertetuated by the movies but not fact. There are people with both diagnoses who go on to live productive, functional, independent lives. That doesn't mean that every person with these diagnoses is equally functional but with early intervention and with treatment adherence, some do. Some are working professional jobs, some married, some parenting, some travelling - living their lives with a mental illness that is managed.

Britney does not appear to be one of those (rare) people. Her family should not judge and hate her for her behavior because she is not well. Unwell people don’t think “I just need to take my meds on time today” - they don’t take their meds. She needs help and neither her father nor her husband were up for the task.

She hasn't ever really shown maturity or a willingness to get help even before the conservatorship. It is so sad to see the latest pics of her alone and making a midnight run for food.

Making a midnight run for food is...sad?

You clearly didn’t see the pictures. She looked awful. She was braless and wearing a shirt that showed every outline of her breasts/nipples. She was carrying a cocktail glass that was supposedly a “raspberry lemonade.”

Making a midnight run for food isn’t necessarily sad, but the pictures of her doing so certainly are.

+1 definitely

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Anyone else worried about Sam?

Her family seems like the type to stage an accident.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else worried about Sam?

Her family seems like the type to stage an accident.

No. I am worried about Brittney though. So sad. She has a ton of talent and it seems like it once brought her joy.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else worried about Sam?

Her family seems like the type to stage an accident.

No. I am worried about Brittney though. So sad. She has a ton of talent and it seems like it once brought her joy.

I’m worried about her too…obviously. FTR, I never got on the Free Brittney bandwagon. It was obvious the only reason she made it this far relatively unscathed was precisely because people were looking out for her.

I can’t imagine her family and the machine that manages her business interests will allow Sam to drag her through the mud AND take a big chunk of change on his way out.