Swim Team Drama

[Anonymous]

It's just a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Actually, most of us DO understand. Some of us have seen this done the wrong way and that’s what the drama is about. Duh.

You have seen the coach try to win the meet the wrong way?

Are you dense? I’ve seen a coach seed a meet based on nothing but wishes, instead of actual times. And the team lost. Does that answer your question?

[Anonymous]

Banquet drama. My sister and her DD went to the banquet, as my sister put it, "dressed for the pool." My sister has never known what to wear when, and is clueless with respect to fashion. She was furious that everyone else was dressed for a party, and made that really clear -- she caused a problem when she accused some of the 12 year old girls as "dressing like they are 16" because they had cute dresses on while her DD had on shorts and an old tshirt. She was really just insecure about how she and DD hadn't understood what to wear. But yeah, she blamed everyone else and made a thing about it. Lol. Par for the course with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Actually, most of us DO understand. Some of us have seen this done the wrong way and that’s what the drama is about. Duh.

You have seen the coach try to win the meet the wrong way?

Are you dense? I’ve seen a coach seed a meet based on nothing but wishes, instead of actual times. And the team lost. Does that answer your question?

You just said some of us have seen THIS (meaning PP’s explanation) done the wrong way. If a coach is seeding based upon wishes, he is not seeding to win.

If you’re saying the coach was seeding based upon wishes, he was not doing what PP described the “wrong way.” He was doing something else entirely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

You are way over invested. Sometimes switching a kid to make them more comfortable or better in that stroke is not a bad thing. Our lineup made no sense but mine just swim what they are told. The relays sucked as my kid was the only one who could swim fast in the bunch but it is what it is.

The point of A meets is to win, not make a kid more comfortable in a stroke. That’s what B meets are for.

You need to relax and let your kid have fun. Winning is a lot but not everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Actually, most of us DO understand. Some of us have seen this done the wrong way and that’s what the drama is about. Duh.

You have seen the coach try to win the meet the wrong way?

Are you dense? I’ve seen a coach seed a meet based on nothing but wishes, instead of actual times. And the team lost. Does that answer your question?

You just said some of us have seen THIS (meaning PP’s explanation) done the wrong way. If a coach is seeding based upon wishes, he is not seeding to win.

If you’re saying the coach was seeding based upon wishes, he was not doing what PP described the “wrong way.” He was doing something else entirely.

Ok. Fine. My “this” was referring to seeding strategy. That’s what people are complaining about. Coaches not going by the times, for reasons that are unclear or outright problematic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Now try this scenario. The coach puts your kid in fly and one of their swimmers in free. Your team losses free, when your kid would have won, and your kid finishes 4th in fly. Something's fishy right? That's the scenario people are complaining about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

You are way over invested. Sometimes switching a kid to make them more comfortable or better in that stroke is not a bad thing. Our lineup made no sense but mine just swim what they are told. The relays sucked as my kid was the only one who could swim fast in the bunch but it is what it is.

The point of A meets is to win, not make a kid more comfortable in a stroke. That’s what B meets are for.

You need to relax and let your kid have fun. Winning is a lot but not everything.

It’s a competitive swim team. If a child has potential to win, and a coach takes that away for the by playing games and picking favorites, it’s not so fun. Has nothing to do with the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

You are way over invested. Sometimes switching a kid to make them more comfortable or better in that stroke is not a bad thing. Our lineup made no sense but mine just swim what they are told. The relays sucked as my kid was the only one who could swim fast in the bunch but it is what it is.

The point of A meets is to win, not make a kid more comfortable in a stroke. That’s what B meets are for.

You need to relax and let your kid have fun. Winning is a lot but not everything.

Why would you think I’m not relaxed? My kid used to be an A swimmer, then became and A/B swimmer, and this year was mostly B. This was the most fun she’s had since she started 8 years ago. Doesn’t change the fact that the point of A meets is to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Now try this scenario. The coach puts your kid in fly and one of their swimmers in free. Your team losses free, when your kid would have won, and your kid finishes 4th in fly. Something's fishy right? That's the scenario people are complaining about.

If your coach is doing that he is not seeding to win, and that is definitely fishy. Has anyone brought this issue to light? That wouldn’t fly at our pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Now try this scenario. The coach puts your kid in fly and one of their swimmers in free. Your team losses free, when your kid would have won, and your kid finishes 4th in fly. Something's fishy right? That's the scenario people are complaining about.

If your coach is doing that he is not seeding to win, and that is definitely fishy. Has anyone brought this issue to light? That wouldn’t fly at our pool.

No but it gets old. My kid rose above it and so did we.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Now try this scenario. The coach puts your kid in fly and one of their swimmers in free. Your team losses free, when your kid would have won, and your kid finishes 4th in fly. Something's fishy right? That's the scenario people are complaining about.

If your coach is doing that he is not seeding to win, and that is definitely fishy. Has anyone brought this issue to light? That wouldn’t fly at our pool.

No but it gets old. My kid rose above it and so did we.

Amen. And same. And you’re not my spouse because they’re sitting right next to me and not posting on DCUM. So it’s happened to at least two families here. It wasn’t worth escalating further in our case given the parties involved. we have scaled our commitments to swim team back, and it’s for the best. Good lessons learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I swear some of you just don't understand trying to win meets.

My kids was the fastest in 3 strokes this year (free, back, and breast). At the start of the season she was swimming free and breast in A meets (her two best). Then in the third meet the coach switched her to back and breast. She came in second in back, but would have easily won free. Were we mad? No, of course not. Looking at the times from our team and the other team it was obvious that the second fastest swimmer on our team in free was going to easily win and that our daughter had a chance to win back while the second fastest back swimmer on our team had no chance. Our coach was trying to win the meet.

It "cost" my kid a chance to have a perfect season and win every race in every A meet. But it was what was best for the team. It was an awesome learning opportunity for her. When we explained it to her she had no problem with it because she wanted to do what was best for the team.

I can create the lineup for our team for A meets just by looking at our ladder and looking up the other teams times in mynvls.com. Clearly I spend way too much time on this, but I'm usually pretty close each week to what our coach picks. The places where I get it wrong are almost always minor judgment calls that could go either way.

The best part about this is there is no drama because the meet lineups follow two rules:
1. Do what is best for the team
2. Fastest swimmer swims

Now try this scenario. The coach puts your kid in fly and one of their swimmers in free. Your team losses free, when your kid would have won, and your kid finishes 4th in fly. Something's fishy right? That's the scenario people are complaining about.

If your coach is doing that he is not seeding to win, and that is definitely fishy. Has anyone brought this issue to light? That wouldn’t fly at our pool.

No but it gets old. My kid rose above it and so did we.

Amen. And same. And you’re not my spouse because they’re sitting right next to me and not posting on DCUM. So it’s happened to at least two families here. It wasn’t worth escalating further in our case given the parties involved. we have scaled our commitments to swim team back, and it’s for the best. Good lessons learned.

Same. Because of the parties involved it's a no-win situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Banquet drama. My sister and her DD went to the banquet, as my sister put it, "dressed for the pool." My sister has never known what to wear when, and is clueless with respect to fashion. She was furious that everyone else was dressed for a party, and made that really clear -- she caused a problem when she accused some of the 12 year old girls as "dressing like they are 16" because they had cute dresses on while her DD had on shorts and an old tshirt. She was really just insecure about how she and DD hadn't understood what to wear. But yeah, she blamed everyone else and made a thing about it. Lol. Par for the course with her.

Some years I dress for the pool, others I don’t. It doesn’t really matter. I’m sorry your sister in law felt awkward, she shouldn’t have. I would have jumped in the pool with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Banquet drama. My sister and her DD went to the banquet, as my sister put it, "dressed for the pool." My sister has never known what to wear when, and is clueless with respect to fashion. She was furious that everyone else was dressed for a party, and made that really clear -- she caused a problem when she accused some of the 12 year old girls as "dressing like they are 16" because they had cute dresses on while her DD had on shorts and an old tshirt. She was really just insecure about how she and DD hadn't understood what to wear. But yeah, she blamed everyone else and made a thing about it. Lol. Par for the course with her.

Some years I dress for the pool, others I don’t. It doesn’t really matter. I’m sorry your sister in law felt awkward, she shouldn’t have. I would have jumped in the pool with her.

Same here. Our banquet is a mix of bathing suits and dresses. The kids get a kick out of dressing up, but in reality no one really cares. It’s definitely a “wear what you want” event at our pool.