How would you rank NESCACS academically?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do these LACs compare to national universities? Is Williams HYPSM level? Are Bowdoin and Middlebury comperable to Duke and Northwestern? Or are they lower

No, schools like Duke and Northwestern are simply on another tier above Bowdoin/Middlebury. Even Williams/Amherst would be right below Duke/Northwestern.

You are a member of a socio-economic class that is one rung below those who send their children to Amherst and Williams. If you know, you know.

You must be the Burberry tote Succession person from the Pomona thread. That was a great post. LOL.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:By the way, notice how the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data? This is why testing will never go away. No other way to differentiate. Here we are figuring out which schools are better on the basis of the percentage of students that are not test optional.

PP, obviously test scores are important to you and a handful of other frequent posters. That doesn't mean that your statement above - "the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data" - is remotely accurate. Just because you keep saying something is true doesn't make it so.

How else can you compare? GPA? Class rank? We know all of this varies wildly from school to school.

How can we know if one school has stronger students than another?

Holy clueless. You can not know this. Did any of you actually go to college? Strong student? Some are very strong in this or very strong in that. Some are strong across the board. Some are geniuses but emotionally immature. Some are really smart and also incredibly resilient. There is no way the best college for this student is the best college for that one. Anyway. Carry on. You know you will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way, notice how the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data? This is why testing will never go away. No other way to differentiate. Here we are figuring out which schools are better on the basis of the percentage of students that are not test optional.

PP, obviously test scores are important to you and a handful of other frequent posters. That doesn't mean that your statement above - "the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data" - is remotely accurate. Just because you keep saying something is true doesn't make it so.

How else can you compare? GPA? Class rank? We know all of this varies wildly from school to school.

How can we know if one school has stronger students than another?

Holy clueless. You can not know this. Did any of you actually go to college? Strong student? Some are very strong in this or very strong in that. Some are strong across the board. Some are geniuses but emotionally immature. Some are really smart and also incredibly resilient. There is no way the best college for this student is the best college for that one. Anyway. Carry on. You know you will.

This is why kids are headed south. It is now impossible to assess most schools academically, but very easy to assess the sorority girls on Instagram.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way, notice how the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data? This is why testing will never go away. No other way to differentiate. Here we are figuring out which schools are better on the basis of the percentage of students that are not test optional.

PP, obviously test scores are important to you and a handful of other frequent posters. That doesn't mean that your statement above - "the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data" - is remotely accurate. Just because you keep saying something is true doesn't make it so.

How else can you compare? GPA? Class rank? We know all of this varies wildly from school to school.

How can we know if one school has stronger students than another?

Holy clueless. You can not know this. Did any of you actually go to college? Strong student? Some are very strong in this or very strong in that. Some are strong across the board. Some are geniuses but emotionally immature. Some are really smart and also incredibly resilient. There is no way the best college for this student is the best college for that one. Anyway. Carry on. You know you will.

The point is, how will outsiders know Amherst has the best students unless Amherst can show sky high test score data with a large percentage reporting?

All of these super selective schools are hellbent on keeping their median SAT above 1500. Because they know that is now a school proves it is super duper and not just super. It’s not by accident. The Dean of Admissions will get sacked if the average SAT declines 20 points. Competitive forces require all schools stay focused on test scores. If Amherst slips, you’ve got Hamilton and Midd ready willing and able to take one of the top spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way, notice how the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data? This is why testing will never go away. No other way to differentiate. Here we are figuring out which schools are better on the basis of the percentage of students that are not test optional.

PP, obviously test scores are important to you and a handful of other frequent posters. That doesn't mean that your statement above - "the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data" - is remotely accurate. Just because you keep saying something is true doesn't make it so.

How else can you compare? GPA? Class rank? We know all of this varies wildly from school to school.

How can we know if one school has stronger students than another?

Holy clueless. You can not know this. Did any of you actually go to college? Strong student? Some are very strong in this or very strong in that. Some are strong across the board. Some are geniuses but emotionally immature. Some are really smart and also incredibly resilient. There is no way the best college for this student is the best college for that one. Anyway. Carry on. You know you will.

The point is, how will outsiders know Amherst has the best students unless Amherst can show sky high test score data with a large percentage reporting?

All of these super selective schools are hellbent on keeping their median SAT above 1500. Because they know that is now a school proves it is super duper and not just super. It’s not by accident. The Dean of Admissions will get sacked if the average SAT declines 20 points. Competitive forces require all schools stay focused on test scores. If Amherst slips, you’ve got Hamilton and Midd ready willing and able to take one of the top spots.

And. Yes they are doing this. The point is...at a certain tier just choose wisely and get on with it. One year Princeton a might get more super geniuses than MIT and the next year Stanford may beat out Yale. And then two years later it reverses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By the way, notice how the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data? This is why testing will never go away. No other way to differentiate. Here we are figuring out which schools are better on the basis of the percentage of students that are not test optional.

PP, obviously test scores are important to you and a handful of other frequent posters. That doesn't mean that your statement above - "the only way to compare the academic caliber of schools is by looking at test score data" - is remotely accurate. Just because you keep saying something is true doesn't make it so.

How else can you compare? GPA? Class rank? We know all of this varies wildly from school to school.

How can we know if one school has stronger students than another?

Holy clueless. You can not know this. Did any of you actually go to college? Strong student? Some are very strong in this or very strong in that. Some are strong across the board. Some are geniuses but emotionally immature. Some are really smart and also incredibly resilient. There is no way the best college for this student is the best college for that one. Anyway. Carry on. You know you will.

The point is, how will outsiders know Amherst has the best students unless Amherst can show sky high test score data with a large percentage reporting?

All of these super selective schools are hellbent on keeping their median SAT above 1500. Because they know that is now a school proves it is super duper and not just super. It’s not by accident. The Dean of Admissions will get sacked if the average SAT declines 20 points. Competitive forces require all schools stay focused on test scores. If Amherst slips, you’ve got Hamilton and Midd ready willing and able to take one of the top spots.

And. Yes they are doing this. The point is...at a certain tier just choose wisely and get on with it. One year Princeton a might get more super geniuses than MIT and the next year Stanford may beat out Yale. And then two years later it reverses.

Not saying to attend schools based only on SAT data. But actually year in year out they are going to maintain the same approximate score

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised at how much higher Carleton and Grinnell are than Oberlin. I've known some super-smart kids who went to Oberlin and thought those schools were all on par.

Oberlin is ranked 39th in US News. Carleton 6, Grinnell 15. Oberlin was a fine academic institution at some point and perhaps retains many of its original qualities, including in the sciences, but the campus culture has gotten away from them and turns off a lot of strong applicants. So quality has slipped. Oberlin has a decent endowment though and still fights for smart kids with merit money.

Oberlin has a prestigious music conservatory. Most of its lower-scoring students matriculate into its undergrad music degree program. So scores at Oberlin that include those of the music conservatory students shouldn't be directly compared to those of students at schools that offer more conventional academic programs only.

[Anonymous]

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I'm surprised at how much higher Carleton and Grinnell are than Oberlin. I've known some super-smart kids who went to Oberlin and thought those schools were all on par.

Oberlin is ranked 39th in US News. Carleton 6, Grinnell 15. Oberlin was a fine academic institution at some point and perhaps retains many of its original qualities, including in the sciences, but the campus culture has gotten away from them and turns off a lot of strong applicants. So quality has slipped. Oberlin has a decent endowment though and still fights for smart kids with merit money.

Oberlin has a prestigious music conservatory. Most of its lower-scoring students matriculate into its undergrad music degree program. So scores at Oberlin that include those of the music conservatory students shouldn't be directly compared to those of students at schools that offer more conventional academic programs only.

Ohio is such a s**thole that grinnel being in Iowa affects it way less than oberlin being in ohio

The simplest answer is usually the right one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm surprised at how much higher Carleton and Grinnell are than Oberlin. I've known some super-smart kids who went to Oberlin and thought those schools were all on par.

Oberlin is ranked 39th in US News. Carleton 6, Grinnell 15. Oberlin was a fine academic institution at some point and perhaps retains many of its original qualities, including in the sciences, but the campus culture has gotten away from them and turns off a lot of strong applicants. So quality has slipped. Oberlin has a decent endowment though and still fights for smart kids with merit money.

Oberlin has a prestigious music conservatory. Most of its lower-scoring students matriculate into its undergrad music degree program. So scores at Oberlin that include those of the music conservatory students shouldn't be directly compared to those of students at schools that offer more conventional academic programs only.

Ohio is such a s**thole that grinnel being in Iowa affects it way less than oberlin being in ohio

The simplest answer is usually the right one

Why is Ohio worse than Iowa? If anything it’s closer to civilization and more convenient/accessible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm surprised at how much higher Carleton and Grinnell are than Oberlin. I've known some super-smart kids who went to Oberlin and thought those schools were all on par.

Oberlin is ranked 39th in US News. Carleton 6, Grinnell 15. Oberlin was a fine academic institution at some point and perhaps retains many of its original qualities, including in the sciences, but the campus culture has gotten away from them and turns off a lot of strong applicants. So quality has slipped. Oberlin has a decent endowment though and still fights for smart kids with merit money.

Oberlin has a prestigious music conservatory. Most of its lower-scoring students matriculate into its undergrad music degree program. So scores at Oberlin that include those of the music conservatory students shouldn't be directly compared to those of students at schools that offer more conventional academic programs only.

Ohio is such a s**thole that grinnel being in Iowa affects it way less than oberlin being in ohio

The simplest answer is usually the right one

Why is Ohio worse than Iowa? If anything it’s closer to civilization and more convenient/accessible.

Heroin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm surprised at how much higher Carleton and Grinnell are than Oberlin. I've known some super-smart kids who went to Oberlin and thought those schools were all on par.

Oberlin is ranked 39th in US News. Carleton 6, Grinnell 15. Oberlin was a fine academic institution at some point and perhaps retains many of its original qualities, including in the sciences, but the campus culture has gotten away from them and turns off a lot of strong applicants. So quality has slipped. Oberlin has a decent endowment though and still fights for smart kids with merit money.

Oberlin has a prestigious music conservatory. Most of its lower-scoring students matriculate into its undergrad music degree program. So scores at Oberlin that include those of the music conservatory students shouldn't be directly compared to those of students at schools that offer more conventional academic programs only.

Ohio is such a s**thole that grinnel being in Iowa affects it way less than oberlin being in ohio

The simplest answer is usually the right one

Why is Ohio worse than Iowa? If anything it’s closer to civilization and more convenient/accessible.

Heroin

Ohio seems to rank somewhere between NH and Mass. I guess Dartmouth and Harvard should also be avoided? https://americanaddictioncenters.org/overdose/top-10-us-states

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do these LACs compare to national universities? Is Williams HYPSM level? Are Bowdoin and Middlebury comperable to Duke and Northwestern? Or are they lower

No, schools like Duke and Northwestern are simply on another tier above Bowdoin/Middlebury. Even Williams/Amherst would be right below Duke/Northwestern.

You are a member of a socio-economic class that is one rung below those who send their children to Amherst and Williams. If you know, you know.

You must be the Burberry tote Succession person from the Pomona thread. That was a great post. LOL.

I can't believe I missed that. And eww to the "one rung below" poster, just ew!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Middlebury is living off past glories, as is Wesleyan.

funny

And yet high stat students continue to apply to both.
weird post imo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Middlebury is living off past glories, as is Wesleyan.

funny

+1

[Anonymous]

Charlie Baker, Harvard graduate, was interviewed by the Boston Globe when he was running for Governor of Massachusetts in 2014.

When asked to share his greatest regret, Baker’s response: “Not going to Hamilton College. I never really felt comfortable at Harvard,” he told the Globe.