Rolling gun battle in Capitol Hill tonight.

[Anonymous]

Thanks, Charles, what do they pay attention to if not the laws, is it to being shot on site like in the Duterte Philippines?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Charles, what do they pay attention to if not the laws, is it to being shot on site like in the Duterte Philippines?

Consequences. As in, actually being prosecuted and going to jail if you commit a violent crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where do I get paid? Currently, I’m just pissed off about the crime and my children witnessing 2 people shot to death. Let me know where the Troll Bureau is to get paid.

I'm sorry your children witnessed two people being shot. If guns were more strictly regulated, this would not happen.

Lolz - yes, because criminals pay very close attention to the current laws on the books.

Canada, UK, Norway, Japan don't have have our mass shootings and gun deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we are doing is NOT working re: juveniles. 900 arrested this year per Contee.

https://twitter.com/FeverPotomac/status/1587906312452861953/photo/1

That's not 900 arrests OF juveniles where there might be some frequent fliers. That is 900 juveniles arrested THIS YEAR.

Stop arresting them. Problem solved. Or change the laws so that their actions aren't crimes.

[Anonymous]

So, focusing on gun control might address your crime concerns. It seems proven! But keep complaining about one council member, that's sure to make a difference here.

[Anonymous]

You know. I think I may focus on WFH on my own chat website

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Jeff running for the Council? He took the time out of his day to review this thread even though he normally only reviews the most active threads. Thoughts?

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The final thread at which I'll look today was posted in the "Metropolitan DC Local Politics" forum and titled "Rolling gun battle in Capitol Hill tonight." The original poster describes a terrifying shootout between occupants of two moving vehicles. When the driver of one automobile was shot, the vehicle crashed into parked cars. Ultimately, two occupants of the vehicle died and one was wounded. The original poster is upset that nothing had been heard from DC Council Member Charles Allen. This thread demonstrates three trends that have been dominating the local politics forum: 1) posters fixated on crime; 2) posters absolutely, completely, insanely obsessed with Charles Allen; and 3) posters posting repeatedly in a compulsive manner. Admittedly, this was a pretty dramatic incident that probably deserves its own thread, but the repeated threads about crime are a somewhat new development on DCUM. I think much of this is driven by the new wave of "crime reporters" on Twitter. These individuals devote their time to listening to police scanners and then immediately posting about any incidents that catch their interest. I've found them to play a welcome role in providing information about what is happening around us. On the other hand, posters follow them on Twitter and immediately rush to DCUM to start threads based on the tweets. In the past, these posters might not even have known about many of the incidents, let alone started threads about them. As for Charles Allen, he has become the face of DC's response to crime. That is ironic given that the Metropolitan Police Departement is under the control of DC Mayor Muriel Bowser, not Ward 6's Council Member. For all the criticism Allen receives on DCUM, he is a remarkably popular Council Member. In both last year's Democratic Primary and the General Election, he was unopposed. The angry posters on DCUM could not even convince anyone to run against him. Next are the compulsive posters. I don't know if posters have an authentic concern about crime and actually hold Alen responsible for it, and, hence, detest him, or if they hate Allen and find crime to be a good issue to use against him. Either way, the combination of crime and Allen brings out some particularly obsessive users. For context, this thread is currently 11 pages and consisting of 155 posts. Of those, the original poster is responsible for at least seven posts, which is not a lot I guess. But, another Allen critic posted at least 21 responses. A third poster — also anti-Allen — managed at least 27 posts in the thread. But, the winner of the Allen-hating extravaganza was a poster who probably wore out her keyboard posting at least 46 times. That is 101 posts just between these 4 posters. In contrast, a dedicated Allen defender managed 19 posts. The Allen supporter was convinced that he was facing off against paid trolls, but he is simply unaware of the obsessive-compulsive nature of these posters. At any rate, if you are intersted in epic anti-Charles Allen rants, this is the thread for you.

What I get from this is:

(1) Contrary to repeated accusations in this thread by a Charles Allen defender, the posts criticizing Charles Allen or the crime bill were not posted by "paid trolls" from Fox News, Russia, or elsewhere. If any of us were trolls, Jeff would have deleted those posts and shut down the thread. He also has a history of noting when posts in a thread are from outside DC. He doesn't here, because they aren't -- they are very clearly from people who live here. So the posts on the thread criticizing Allen appear to come from his constituents. Seems like a problem for Allen and for the angry poster who is very convinced we don't even exist.

(2) Apparently Jeff thinks the main way we find out about crimes is by reading about them on Twitter and not seeing them from our windows. But like at least one and maybe more posters on this thread, I became aware of this crime when I hear a loud series of gunshots near my home, and only used Twitter to get details on what I knew to be a shoot out near my home. I think the people on this thread most "rattled" by the event (and thus most likely to post repeatedly) were those of us who were still in shock by such a violent and dangerous crime occurring so close to where we live and to where our children were sleeping at the time it happened. Yet it's harder to understand what is motivating the repeat posters defending Allen and, it must be said, minimizing a horrific crime in our neighborhood. Why would someone do this? Unclear.

(3) Anyone else catch that Jeff made the prolific ant-Allen poster a "she" and the prolific pro-Allen poster a "he". I wonder why that is since Jeff can't know the gender of the people.

[Anonymous]

Thank you! I did notice. It’s happened before too.

[Anonymous]

The gendering/misgendering

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks, Charles, what do they pay attention to if not the laws, is it to being shot on site like in the Duterte Philippines?

Consequences. As in, actually being prosecuted and going to jail if you commit a violent crime.

Ah, but the USAO and AG are pieces of that puzzle, no? VERY stark change in USAO prosecution rates from what they were under Obama and prior appointed USAOs. Surely there is a link between these no paper stats and what people are experiencing?

https://twitter.com/Blaine_Stum/status/1635661615776378881

But Allen is defo a big part of the problem too.

https://twitter.com/NW_Realist/status/1511463781796352010

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we are doing is NOT working re: juveniles. 900 arrested this year per Contee.

https://twitter.com/FeverPotomac/status/1587906312452861953/photo/1

That's not 900 arrests OF juveniles where there might be some frequent fliers. That is 900 juveniles arrested THIS YEAR.

Stop arresting them. Problem solved. Or change the laws so that their actions aren't crimes.

Did you forget /s, PP?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

The President appoints the USAO and Congress has oversight over DOJ. What happened after Obama? Were policies changed, formally or informally? Is it a resource issue?

https://twitter.com/FeverPotomac/status/1635633853892288512

DC Council has passed bills like the NEAR Act and impacted MPD budget in recent years. Allen and Nadeau have posted about doing so on social media. Rates of arrests have also dropped since 2017, perhaps due to lower MPD staffing or perhaps in part in response to the dramatic drop in prosecuted cases by USAO. Those seem to be the 3 big pieces of the puzzle imho.

https://twitter.com/FeverPotomac/status/1635633853892288512

[Anonymous]

Compare and contrast 2017 to today

https://twitter.com/dccrimefacts/status/1635625719459094528

And rates of no papering jumped @ 10% under the USAO appointed by Obama in 2017. So increase from just earlier is even more striking.

Congress needs to look into why? Is it policies, funding, ??? at USAO?

Fewer arrests could be due to smaller MPD or other factors.

[Anonymous]

The reminder should probably be posted on every single page of threads about DC crime that there are no mandatory minimum sentences in the criminal code reform bill.

Rolling gun battle? No minimum. Not even a day. Not even one minute.