Another pregnant teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

You're a parent of a student. How would you remotely know if she "doesn't have any issues with the pregnancy"? If she said that to you or others, you have no idea if she was telling the truth. In her situation I wouldn't tell parents if I had health issues in pregnancy or anything else.

You're just sore that your kid will "lose" a teacher for the last part of the year. We get that. But dont' go around making out as if you know this woman or her actual situation outside school. She does not work for YOU. She works for the school and makes whatever arrangements she needs to make with them, not you or your child.

So many parents don't get this, or pretend not to. I was a 12 month teacher so if I had to take care of anything or take vacation it had to be when I had students in session.
Most parents understood this but I had parents that would act like I had no right to use my vacation time (or sick leave for that matter), ever.

I left at 28 weeks pregnant because I was planning to SAH anyway. There was no point in being uncomfortable by the end for so little pay and much stress. If I had any complications I would have left earlier.

Oh you poor thing. . . I worked commuting into DC until the day I gave birth. Uncomfortable . . . LOL.

Look, the thing is, leave. Don't leave. Take time off. Don't take time off. But the fact is you ARE accountable to the kids and their parents. You may think you're not, and it's kind of funny how many teachers on here think that, but you are. You have every right to take your leave, but don't think that you being out all the time (and there teachers that are) and having that affect the kids, is going to make parents respect you very much. They won't.

I feel like some posters have undiagnosed issues.

I'm a NP, but I don't understand why it is not ok to discuss the impact that mid-year teacher departures have on students. There are plenty of studies on this showing that both excessive absences and mid-year departures have a detrimental impact on student learning. This has been happening for years, but the impact on students is even worse following the pandemic closures. It's difficult for anyone, adults or children, to be motivated to learn and engage with a system that shows little regard for their needs. This has nothing to do with individual teachers or their reasons for leaving but everything to do with what kids are experiencing and what the adults in their lives are showing them. There's little stability, and that does not promote engagement.

Because teachers are real people who are absolutely within their right to take maternity leave? I am not discounting the fact that excessive absences are bad for student learning, but the stability in their lives should come from their families. The idea that parents on this forum are saying that they are entitled to a young women's labor is obscene.

I'm the PP, and I was not demanding anyone's labor. I was merely pointing out that we need to talk about teacher absences and departures and the lack of adequate substitutes when those absence and departures occur. They are hurting kids who are already hurting.

That is an administrative and staffing issue, not a teacher taking leave issue.

Yes, thank you. To the poster whi think the teacher is accountable to parents - hold admin accountable and get off teacher's backs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ To clarify, I mean that if a teacher quits with 25% of the year left, then they shouldn’t be paid for that remainder. Just like if I quit my job, the biweekly paychecks stop coming.

yup thats what happens

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ To clarify, I mean that if a teacher quits with 25% of the year left, then they shouldn’t be paid for that remainder. Just like if I quit my job, the biweekly paychecks stop coming.

yup thats what happens

+1, if the teacher leaves on the 6th if the month, then my paycheck only reflects time work.

[Anonymous]

I'm a NP, but I don't understand why it is not ok to discuss the impact that mid-year teacher departures have on students. There are plenty of studies on this showing that both excessive absences and mid-year departures have a detrimental impact on student learning. This has been happening for years, but the impact on students is even worse following the pandemic closures. It's difficult for anyone, adults or children, to be motivated to learn and engage with a system that shows little regard for their needs. This has nothing to do with individual teachers or their reasons for leaving but everything to do with what kids are experiencing and what the adults in their lives are showing them. There's little stability, and that does not promote engagement.

The solution to the disruption caused by a teacher's health-based leave is to discuss the shortage of long term subs and teachers in general. Back in the day, if a teacher left for a health issue mis-year, we either pulled a long-term sub from our sizable pool or hired a new teacher (either one who had taken time off or a newly licensed one). These days, the options are few, and that's not the fault of the teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s annoying and inconvenient but the teacher is looking out for #1 (herself and her unborn child) as she should be.

We need to think of teaching more cold-bloodedly as a real profession and not some sacrificial call of duty where we expect more from teachers because they genuinely love kids and do it for the kids. If my manager or company asked me to do something I didn’t want to because of my genuine love for spreadsheets I would tell them to STFU.

In that case, money from contracts should be withheld until the contract is over. It would be no different from companies using year end bonuses with delayed payouts to retain employees

Is it not? Is the teacher paid for the whole year even though they quit part way? I really doubt that. And if it’s true, it speaks to poor negotiating of contracts.

I think that researching the standard FCPS teacher contract could put this particular thread of the debate to rest. Has anyone commenting here actually read it and know what they actually agreed to do? If not, then quit it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s annoying and inconvenient but the teacher is looking out for #1 (herself and her unborn child) as she should be.

We need to think of teaching more cold-bloodedly as a real profession and not some sacrificial call of duty where we expect more from teachers because they genuinely love kids and do it for the kids. If my manager or company asked me to do something I didn’t want to because of my genuine love for spreadsheets I would tell them to STFU.

In that case, money from contracts should be withheld until the contract is over. It would be no different from companies using year end bonuses with delayed payouts to retain employees

Is it not? Is the teacher paid for the whole year even though they quit part way? I really doubt that. And if it’s true, it speaks to poor negotiating of contracts.

Right now there is no “negotiating of contracts”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It’s annoying and inconvenient but the teacher is looking out for #1 (herself and her unborn child) as she should be.

We need to think of teaching more cold-bloodedly as a real profession and not some sacrificial call of duty where we expect more from teachers because they genuinely love kids and do it for the kids. If my manager or company asked me to do something I didn’t want to because of my genuine love for spreadsheets I would tell them to STFU.

In that case, money from contracts should be withheld until the contract is over. It would be no different from companies using year end bonuses with delayed payouts to retain employees

Is it not? Is the teacher paid for the whole year even though they quit part way? I really doubt that. And if it’s true, it speaks to poor negotiating of contracts.

I think that researching the standard FCPS teacher contract could put this particular thread of the debate to rest. Has anyone commenting here actually read it and know what they actually agreed to do? If not, then quit it.

The contract is essentially the listing of the job requirements (no mention of a specific school or grade assignment) with a start and end date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

You're a parent of a student. How would you remotely know if she "doesn't have any issues with the pregnancy"? If she said that to you or others, you have no idea if she was telling the truth. In her situation I wouldn't tell parents if I had health issues in pregnancy or anything else.

You're just sore that your kid will "lose" a teacher for the last part of the year. We get that. But dont' go around making out as if you know this woman or her actual situation outside school. She does not work for YOU. She works for the school and makes whatever arrangements she needs to make with them, not you or your child.

So many parents don't get this, or pretend not to. I was a 12 month teacher so if I had to take care of anything or take vacation it had to be when I had students in session.
Most parents understood this but I had parents that would act like I had no right to use my vacation time (or sick leave for that matter), ever.

I left at 28 weeks pregnant because I was planning to SAH anyway. There was no point in being uncomfortable by the end for so little pay and much stress. If I had any complications I would have left earlier.

Oh you poor thing. . . I worked commuting into DC until the day I gave birth. Uncomfortable . . . LOL.

Look, the thing is, leave. Don't leave. Take time off. Don't take time off. But the fact is you ARE accountable to the kids and their parents. You may think you're not, and it's kind of funny how many teachers on here think that, but you are. You have every right to take your leave, but don't think that you being out all the time (and there teachers that are) and having that affect the kids, is going to make parents respect you very much. They won't.

I feel like some posters have undiagnosed issues.

I'm a NP, but I don't understand why it is not ok to discuss the impact that mid-year teacher departures have on students. There are plenty of studies on this showing that both excessive absences and mid-year departures have a detrimental impact on student learning. This has been happening for years, but the impact on students is even worse following the pandemic closures. It's difficult for anyone, adults or children, to be motivated to learn and engage with a system that shows little regard for their needs. This has nothing to do with individual teachers or their reasons for leaving but everything to do with what kids are experiencing and what the adults in their lives are showing them. There's little stability, and that does not promote engagement.

I'm a teacher who recently quit my job after many years. It DOES impact students when their teachers leave mid year. Research shows that kids lose 35-70% of their progress for the year. It's really bad for students. School systems need to make things better enough so that teachers are able to complete each year. We cannot keep relying on teachers staying out of the goodness of their hearts. If conditions weren't so bad, teachers wouldn't leave mid year. We didn't use to leave mid year except in the rarest of situations. And yes, if a teacher leaves in February, they are only paid through their last day of work. The only exceptions to this are if they have banked a lot of sick days and are on some sort of approved leave. And then if a district pays out the salary over 12 months, then when they leave, they also get whatever percentage had been withheld from previous checks to cover the summer months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

You're a parent of a student. How would you remotely know if she "doesn't have any issues with the pregnancy"? If she said that to you or others, you have no idea if she was telling the truth. In her situation I wouldn't tell parents if I had health issues in pregnancy or anything else.

You're just sore that your kid will "lose" a teacher for the last part of the year. We get that. But dont' go around making out as if you know this woman or her actual situation outside school. She does not work for YOU. She works for the school and makes whatever arrangements she needs to make with them, not you or your child.

So many parents don't get this, or pretend not to. I was a 12 month teacher so if I had to take care of anything or take vacation it had to be when I had students in session.
Most parents understood this but I had parents that would act like I had no right to use my vacation time (or sick leave for that matter), ever.

I left at 28 weeks pregnant because I was planning to SAH anyway. There was no point in being uncomfortable by the end for so little pay and much stress. If I had any complications I would have left earlier.

Oh you poor thing. . . I worked commuting into DC until the day I gave birth. Uncomfortable . . . LOL.

Look, the thing is, leave. Don't leave. Take time off. Don't take time off. But the fact is you ARE accountable to the kids and their parents. You may think you're not, and it's kind of funny how many teachers on here think that, but you are. You have every right to take your leave, but don't think that you being out all the time (and there teachers that are) and having that affect the kids, is going to make parents respect you very much. They won't.

I feel like some posters have undiagnosed issues.

I'm a NP, but I don't understand why it is not ok to discuss the impact that mid-year teacher departures have on students. There are plenty of studies on this showing that both excessive absences and mid-year departures have a detrimental impact on student learning. This has been happening for years, but the impact on students is even worse following the pandemic closures. It's difficult for anyone, adults or children, to be motivated to learn and engage with a system that shows little regard for their needs. This has nothing to do with individual teachers or their reasons for leaving but everything to do with what kids are experiencing and what the adults in their lives are showing them. There's little stability, and that does not promote engagement.

I'm a teacher who recently quit my job after many years. It DOES impact students when their teachers leave mid year. Research shows that kids lose 35-70% of their progress for the year. It's really bad for students. School systems need to make things better enough so that teachers are able to complete each year. We cannot keep relying on teachers staying out of the goodness of their hearts. If conditions weren't so bad, teachers wouldn't leave mid year. We didn't use to leave mid year except in the rarest of situations. And yes, if a teacher leaves in February, they are only paid through their last day of work. The only exceptions to this are if they have banked a lot of sick days and are on some sort of approved leave. And then if a district pays out the salary over 12 months, then when they leave, they also get whatever percentage had been withheld from previous checks to cover the summer months.

+1

[Anonymous]

In all my years of teaching I’ve known three teachers who ended their year early, two for complications related to pregnancy and one to care for a terminally ill spouse. The conditions teachers face are bad, but IMO that’s not a major reasons that teachers take extended leave during the school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

I don’t understand why you keep voting for a school board who cares nothing about classroom safety. Do you?

Took 3 pages- hello Republicans!
I do know Why I vote for dems: I’m anti book banning, I want my kids to say the word gay to support my gay cousins, I’m anti charter schools and don’t want my tax dollars supporting religious or wealthy private schools for vouchers.

Thanks for asking!

Adding that Republicans haven't offered a single viable solution to complex societal problems either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

I don’t understand why you keep voting for a school board who cares nothing about classroom safety. Do you?

Took 3 pages- hello Republicans!
I do know Why I vote for dems: I’m anti book banning, I want my kids to say the word gay to support my gay cousins, I’m anti charter schools and don’t want my tax dollars supporting religious or wealthy private schools for vouchers.

Thanks for asking!

Adding that Republicans haven't offered a single viable solution to complex societal problems either.

More guns and bringing back child labor! Freedom!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

I don’t understand why you keep voting for a school board who cares nothing about classroom safety. Do you?

Took 3 pages- hello Republicans!
I do know Why I vote for dems: I’m anti book banning, I want my kids to say the word gay to support my gay cousins, I’m anti charter schools and don’t want my tax dollars supporting religious or wealthy private schools for vouchers.

Thanks for asking!

Adding that Republicans haven't offered a single viable solution to complex societal problems either.

Why do our kids need a how-to guide for anal sex? Those are the books you want at school? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

I don’t understand why you keep voting for a school board who cares nothing about classroom safety. Do you?

Took 3 pages- hello Republicans!
I do know Why I vote for dems: I’m anti book banning, I want my kids to say the word gay to support my gay cousins, I’m anti charter schools and don’t want my tax dollars supporting religious or wealthy private schools for vouchers.

Thanks for asking!

Adding that Republicans haven't offered a single viable solution to complex societal problems either.

Why do our kids need a how-to guide for anal sex? Those are the books you want at school? Why?

Where did you see this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3rd year teacher is pregnant and won’t be back after Spring Break. They will try to find a long term sub for her, but who knows if they will. She is only 12 weeks pregnant and doesn’t have any issues with the pregnancy. i just don’t understand why doesn’t she stay till the end since the baby won’t be due for another 6 months…

I don’t understand why you keep voting for a school board who cares nothing about classroom safety. Do you?

Took 3 pages- hello Republicans!
I do know Why I vote for dems: I’m anti book banning, I want my kids to say the word gay to support my gay cousins, I’m anti charter schools and don’t want my tax dollars supporting religious or wealthy private schools for vouchers.

Thanks for asking!

Adding that Republicans haven't offered a single viable solution to complex societal problems either.

Why do our kids need a how-to guide for anal sex? Those are the books you want at school? Why?

Where did you see this?

A student at a school board reading a book from school. Pretty disgusting that posters here want this in our schools. Probably pediphiles?