Kristin Mink

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the public safety meeting this morning. I haven't been a great fan of hers, but I think she asked some good questions. On point. Part of this is just that she's brand new.

I missed it, but am interested. What questions did she ask?

She is brand new. That’s why she should be visiting districts, doing ride-alongs, attending the citizen’s academy, and doing everything else possible to be informed about policing in the county.

PP, do you have anything else to say, or just this one thing repeated at every opportunity?

Is there a reason I shouldn’t bring this up? What’s wrong with wanting Mink to learn about public safety before she comments on it or tries to change it though legislation?

There’s only one correct response to this, and this is “yes, she should do her research.” Your annoyance at my point here makes me wonder if you actually can find some reason to disagree?

You think she should do your particular version of "doing her research". In fact, I think you think everyone should do your particular version of "doing their research".

Let me make sure I understand this. You don’t consider taking a close look at current policing a worthwhile endeavor? Mink is a county council person. One would logically assume she should get to know her own county’s services before commenting on them. You disagree? What would another type of research look like?

I think you have a hammer, so every problem is a nail.

You must be a big Mink supporter. Fine.

I think it is beyond reasonable to expect a councilmember on the public safety committee (!) to know about existing policing practices in the county. I think she should come from a place of understanding when she speaks, and that understanding can partly come from actually talking to officers, watching them in action, learning about their procedures, etc. If you think those very reasonable and logical expectations are too much, then there’s nothing to talk about here.

Your support of her, by the way, is not making me feel very confident about her ability to do this job.

You're assuming that your way is the only way to acquire that knowledge, and also probably that if she did acquire that knowledge your way, she would come to agree with your opinions.

I don't live in Kristin Mink's district, and I would find it odd if my opinion of her affected your opinion of her. Also, your opinion of her does not affect her ability to do the job which the voters of her district elected her to do.

Okay. I’ll bite. How else will she find out about public safety, specifically policing, in Montgomery County without meeting with / listening to police at all? Do you really think that’s a step she can skip?

What other way is there to learn about policing? Should she read books? Watch movies? Read Twitter? What’s your suggestion?

But she is meeting with and listening to police.

Ride-alongs? With officers? What about the citizen’s academy?

Now we're back to your belief that your way is the only way.

Have I said “only way”? Anywhere? Seriously? What is so wrong with suggesting that she take a close look at the job and speak directly to those doing it? Is that an unreasonable suggestion?

I’m not an “only way” sort person. I’m very logical and reasonable. I don’t see my suggestion as unreasonable AT ALL, and I fail to understand why this is such a hard line for you.

You are an "only way" sort of person, evidently. Specifically, you seem to believe that if she's not doing ride-alongs and the citizen's academy, then she can't be taking a close look at the job and speaking directly to those doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the public safety meeting this morning. I haven't been a great fan of hers, but I think she asked some good questions. On point. Part of this is just that she's brand new.

I missed it, but am interested. What questions did she ask?

She is brand new. That’s why she should be visiting districts, doing ride-alongs, attending the citizen’s academy, and doing everything else possible to be informed about policing in the county.

PP, do you have anything else to say, or just this one thing repeated at every opportunity?

Is there a reason I shouldn’t bring this up? What’s wrong with wanting Mink to learn about public safety before she comments on it or tries to change it though legislation?

There’s only one correct response to this, and this is “yes, she should do her research.” Your annoyance at my point here makes me wonder if you actually can find some reason to disagree?

You think she should do your particular version of "doing her research". In fact, I think you think everyone should do your particular version of "doing their research".

Let me make sure I understand this. You don’t consider taking a close look at current policing a worthwhile endeavor? Mink is a county council person. One would logically assume she should get to know her own county’s services before commenting on them. You disagree? What would another type of research look like?

I think you have a hammer, so every problem is a nail.

You must be a big Mink supporter. Fine.

I think it is beyond reasonable to expect a councilmember on the public safety committee (!) to know about existing policing practices in the county. I think she should come from a place of understanding when she speaks, and that understanding can partly come from actually talking to officers, watching them in action, learning about their procedures, etc. If you think those very reasonable and logical expectations are too much, then there’s nothing to talk about here.

Your support of her, by the way, is not making me feel very confident about her ability to do this job.

You're assuming that your way is the only way to acquire that knowledge, and also probably that if she did acquire that knowledge your way, she would come to agree with your opinions.

I don't live in Kristin Mink's district, and I would find it odd if my opinion of her affected your opinion of her. Also, your opinion of her does not affect her ability to do the job which the voters of her district elected her to do.

Okay. I’ll bite. How else will she find out about public safety, specifically policing, in Montgomery County without meeting with / listening to police at all? Do you really think that’s a step she can skip?

What other way is there to learn about policing? Should she read books? Watch movies? Read Twitter? What’s your suggestion?

But she is meeting with and listening to police.

Ride-alongs? With officers? What about the citizen’s academy?

Now we're back to your belief that your way is the only way.

Have I said “only way”? Anywhere? Seriously? What is so wrong with suggesting that she take a close look at the job and speak directly to those doing it? Is that an unreasonable suggestion?

I’m not an “only way” sort person. I’m very logical and reasonable. I don’t see my suggestion as unreasonable AT ALL, and I fail to understand why this is such a hard line for you.

You are an "only way" sort of person, evidently. Specifically, you seem to believe that if she's not doing ride-alongs and the citizen's academy, then she can't be taking a close look at the job and speaking directly to those doing it.

Well, if she’s not… she’s not. You can’t take a “close look at the job” without actually taking a close look at the job.

I’m assuming you’re okay with that. Fine. I expect more from my local politicians.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the public safety meeting this morning. I haven't been a great fan of hers, but I think she asked some good questions. On point. Part of this is just that she's brand new.

I missed it, but am interested. What questions did she ask?

She is brand new. That’s why she should be visiting districts, doing ride-alongs, attending the citizen’s academy, and doing everything else possible to be informed about policing in the county.

PP, do you have anything else to say, or just this one thing repeated at every opportunity?

Is there a reason I shouldn’t bring this up? What’s wrong with wanting Mink to learn about public safety before she comments on it or tries to change it though legislation?

There’s only one correct response to this, and this is “yes, she should do her research.” Your annoyance at my point here makes me wonder if you actually can find some reason to disagree?

You think she should do your particular version of "doing her research". In fact, I think you think everyone should do your particular version of "doing their research".

Let me make sure I understand this. You don’t consider taking a close look at current policing a worthwhile endeavor? Mink is a county council person. One would logically assume she should get to know her own county’s services before commenting on them. You disagree? What would another type of research look like?

I think you have a hammer, so every problem is a nail.

You must be a big Mink supporter. Fine.

I think it is beyond reasonable to expect a councilmember on the public safety committee (!) to know about existing policing practices in the county. I think she should come from a place of understanding when she speaks, and that understanding can partly come from actually talking to officers, watching them in action, learning about their procedures, etc. If you think those very reasonable and logical expectations are too much, then there’s nothing to talk about here.

Your support of her, by the way, is not making me feel very confident about her ability to do this job.

You're assuming that your way is the only way to acquire that knowledge, and also probably that if she did acquire that knowledge your way, she would come to agree with your opinions.

I don't live in Kristin Mink's district, and I would find it odd if my opinion of her affected your opinion of her. Also, your opinion of her does not affect her ability to do the job which the voters of her district elected her to do.

Okay. I’ll bite. How else will she find out about public safety, specifically policing, in Montgomery County without meeting with / listening to police at all? Do you really think that’s a step she can skip?

What other way is there to learn about policing? Should she read books? Watch movies? Read Twitter? What’s your suggestion?

But she is meeting with and listening to police.

Ride-alongs? With officers? What about the citizen’s academy?

Now we're back to your belief that your way is the only way.

Have I said “only way”? Anywhere? Seriously? What is so wrong with suggesting that she take a close look at the job and speak directly to those doing it? Is that an unreasonable suggestion?

I’m not an “only way” sort person. I’m very logical and reasonable. I don’t see my suggestion as unreasonable AT ALL, and I fail to understand why this is such a hard line for you.

You are an "only way" sort of person, evidently. Specifically, you seem to believe that if she's not doing ride-alongs and the citizen's academy, then she can't be taking a close look at the job and speaking directly to those doing it.

Well, if she’s not… she’s not. You can’t take a “close look at the job” without actually taking a close look at the job.

I’m assuming you’re okay with that. Fine. I expect more from my local politicians.

But she is.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the public safety meeting this morning. I haven't been a great fan of hers, but I think she asked some good questions. On point. Part of this is just that she's brand new.

I missed it, but am interested. What questions did she ask?

She is brand new. That’s why she should be visiting districts, doing ride-alongs, attending the citizen’s academy, and doing everything else possible to be informed about policing in the county.

PP, do you have anything else to say, or just this one thing repeated at every opportunity?

Is there a reason I shouldn’t bring this up? What’s wrong with wanting Mink to learn about public safety before she comments on it or tries to change it though legislation?

There’s only one correct response to this, and this is “yes, she should do her research.” Your annoyance at my point here makes me wonder if you actually can find some reason to disagree?

You think she should do your particular version of "doing her research". In fact, I think you think everyone should do your particular version of "doing their research".

Let me make sure I understand this. You don’t consider taking a close look at current policing a worthwhile endeavor? Mink is a county council person. One would logically assume she should get to know her own county’s services before commenting on them. You disagree? What would another type of research look like?

I think you have a hammer, so every problem is a nail.

You must be a big Mink supporter. Fine.

I think it is beyond reasonable to expect a councilmember on the public safety committee (!) to know about existing policing practices in the county. I think she should come from a place of understanding when she speaks, and that understanding can partly come from actually talking to officers, watching them in action, learning about their procedures, etc. If you think those very reasonable and logical expectations are too much, then there’s nothing to talk about here.

Your support of her, by the way, is not making me feel very confident about her ability to do this job.

You're assuming that your way is the only way to acquire that knowledge, and also probably that if she did acquire that knowledge your way, she would come to agree with your opinions.

I don't live in Kristin Mink's district, and I would find it odd if my opinion of her affected your opinion of her. Also, your opinion of her does not affect her ability to do the job which the voters of her district elected her to do.

Okay. I’ll bite. How else will she find out about public safety, specifically policing, in Montgomery County without meeting with / listening to police at all? Do you really think that’s a step she can skip?

What other way is there to learn about policing? Should she read books? Watch movies? Read Twitter? What’s your suggestion?

But she is meeting with and listening to police.

Ride-alongs? With officers? What about the citizen’s academy?

Now we're back to your belief that your way is the only way.

Have I said “only way”? Anywhere? Seriously? What is so wrong with suggesting that she take a close look at the job and speak directly to those doing it? Is that an unreasonable suggestion?

I’m not an “only way” sort person. I’m very logical and reasonable. I don’t see my suggestion as unreasonable AT ALL, and I fail to understand why this is such a hard line for you.

You are an "only way" sort of person, evidently. Specifically, you seem to believe that if she's not doing ride-alongs and the citizen's academy, then she can't be taking a close look at the job and speaking directly to those doing it.

Well, if she’s not… she’s not. You can’t take a “close look at the job” without actually taking a close look at the job.

I’m assuming you’re okay with that. Fine. I expect more from my local politicians.

How do either of you know exactly what she is doing?

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https://takomatorch.com/index.php/2023/02/06/search-of-hunter-bidens-laptop-finds-classified-emails-from-hillary-clinton-about-kristin-minks-flat-tire/

“This is the most important thing going on in the country right now, and we’re going to get to the bottom of this no matter how long it takes,” said House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA). “A police officer helping a pro-police reform Democrat by exerting a small amount of effort for something that’s in his literal job description just doesn’t make any sense. As a result, we’ve budgeted millions to thoroughly investigate this for the next four years.”

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I dont care if she does police ride-a-longs, or any of the other questions here.

I do care if she is approaching the issue of policing reform with a predetermined stance/position- which is what I think is happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont care if she does police ride-a-longs, or any of the other questions here.

I do care if she is approaching the issue of policing reform with a predetermined stance/position- which is what I think is happening.

Every single Councilmember approaches this issue with a predetermined stance/position which is based in large part on how beholden they are to the FOP vs progressive activitists

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Anonymous wrote:I dont care if she does police ride-a-longs, or any of the other questions here.

I do care if she is approaching the issue of policing reform with a predetermined stance/position- which is what I think is happening.

Every single Councilmember approaches this issue with a predetermined stance/position which is based in large part on how beholden they are to the FOP vs progressive activitists

The FOP had the state and county elected officials at their service for many years and got them to pass laws that prevented the removal of bad officers and aided in sweeping misconduct under the rug. Then egregious misconduct happened and the pendulum swung back violently. There’s a lesson in here for other lobbyists who find themselves in favor at any given time: moderate. Given how many renter protection laws are swirling around, it looks like developers are going to have their turns next, and it couldn’t happen fast enough to a better group of people.

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Anonymous wrote:I dont care if she does police ride-a-longs, or any of the other questions here.

I do care if she is approaching the issue of policing reform with a predetermined stance/position- which is what I think is happening.

Every single Councilmember approaches this issue with a predetermined stance/position which is based in large part on how beholden they are to the FOP vs progressive activitists

The FOP had the state and county elected officials at their service for many years and got them to pass laws that prevented the removal of bad officers and aided in sweeping misconduct under the rug. Then egregious misconduct happened and the pendulum swung back violently. There’s a lesson in here for other lobbyists who find themselves in favor at any given time: moderate. Given how many renter protection laws are swirling around, it looks like developers are going to have their turns next, and it couldn’t happen fast enough to a better group of people.

I agree with all of what you've written but the bolded. What egregious misconduct has happened that hasn't resulted in discipline?

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Anonymous wrote:I dont care if she does police ride-a-longs, or any of the other questions here.

I do care if she is approaching the issue of policing reform with a predetermined stance/position- which is what I think is happening.

Every single Councilmember approaches this issue with a predetermined stance/position which is based in large part on how beholden they are to the FOP vs progressive activitists

The FOP had the state and county elected officials at their service for many years and got them to pass laws that prevented the removal of bad officers and aided in sweeping misconduct under the rug. Then egregious misconduct happened and the pendulum swung back violently. There’s a lesson in here for other lobbyists who find themselves in favor at any given time: moderate. Given how many renter protection laws are swirling around, it looks like developers are going to have their turns next, and it couldn’t happen fast enough to a better group of people.

I agree with all of what you've written but the bolded. What egregious misconduct has happened that hasn't resulted in discipline?

The recent egregious misconduct resulted in individual accountability AND sweeping reform. The rough ride that Freddie Gray got happened many times before it resulted in a death but those previous rides resulted in neither individual accountability nor reform. Then the conduct and consequences rose to a level so egregious that it resulted in both discipline and reforms, because individual discipline was deemed an inadequate remedy by elected officials. It was no longer sufficient to dismiss and/or prosecute officers under existing laws. In legislators’ view, those laws had to be changed to increase civilian oversight and make it easier to convict cops. If the FOP had earlier ceded some ground to make it easier to dismiss bad cops, there’s a good chance that they would be in a better position than they are.

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I have a suspicion that half of these posts are actually from Kristin.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspicion that half of these posts are actually from Kristin.

I doubt she is doing it personally, or at least all of them.

But its her clear her people are all over this thread- OR she has a big fan at DCUM who is quick with the delete button.

This whole initial story about the flat tire- is a relatively minor deal in the grand scheme of moco politics. If it turns out she had the officers turn off their bodycams, that makes it a little worse and we might even see a quick washington post story or the like. Otherwise I imagine most voters havent even heard the story at all.

It is telling how many of her biggest supporters literally brushed away the initial story right from the jump. As if they wouldnt seek capital punishment if David Blair had done the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspicion that half of these posts are actually from Kristin.

I doubt she is doing it personally, or at least all of them.

But its her clear her people are all over this thread- OR she has a big fan at DCUM who is quick with the delete button.

This whole initial story about the flat tire- is a relatively minor deal in the grand scheme of moco politics. If it turns out she had the officers turn off their bodycams, that makes it a little worse and we might even see a quick washington post story or the like. Otherwise I imagine most voters havent even heard the story at all.

It is telling how many of her biggest supporters literally brushed away the initial story right from the jump. As if they wouldnt seek capital punishment if David Blair had done the same thing.

Who says she had the police turn off their body cams?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a suspicion that half of these posts are actually from Kristin.

I have a suspicion her middle name is s k a n k

Wow you are a piece of work

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I guarantee you there are a lot of FOP members on these boards