Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

I personally know many people who have lost weight through diet and exercise! Are you really saying it's not possible?

DP, it is possible, but not for everyone. And statistically keeping the weight off is nearly impossible. Go ask those same friends how hard it is for them to keep the weight off with diet and exercise. Especially if over 20lbs.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Drugs and surgery are the last resort for many, many kinds of illnesses and conditions! High blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, are all examples where you can try lifestyle changes first, and sometimes they work. When I have been injured, I've been prescribed physical therapy before going to surgery as a last resort. Even mental health issues, there is a long list of things you can try before drugs (meditation, sleep hygiene, reducing stress). Not saying no one should end up needing drugs/surgery, but it's not the first thing you go for when there are less invasive options.

When my blood pressure crept high, I was immediately prescribed blood pressure medicine. I personally chose not to take it and instead tried diet and exercise modifications first but I certainly wouldn’t say that it’s considered a last resort in any sense of the word.

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The amount of people who are normal weight but simply can’t grapple and have such a problem with those of us taking these drugs is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.

That’s been the goal for a number of years and yet the problem is only getting worse, fast. We’ve been telling people to take personal accountability eat healthy and exercise more for DECADES. Diet and exercise is a billion dollar industry. It’s simply not working.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.[/quote]

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.
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The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.[/b] [/quote]

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time. [/quote]

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.[/quote]

Why should they be a last resort? [/quote]

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....[/quote]

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.[/quote]

Okay show me the study that supports a “personal responsibility” approach. It seems like what you’re saying is NOT that there’s some public health campaign or curriculum that will work (which is true, no data supports it). It seems like you’re saying is that you’re mad we are telling you shouting “PeRSonAL rESPonSIbILitY” isn’t a public service on your part.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Because fat people should clock in for a decade long shift of hunger and damaging yoyo dieting before they deserve the easy way out, obviously.

It shouldn’t come to that. Why not just eat less and better quality foods when you move up one pant size or 10 lbs? Why are people becoming so overweight they get to the point they need to resort to meds and surgery?

Okay well like half the country is already obese so we’re well beyond the fantasy world you’re living in.

Exactly. I mean I'm sure that poster realizes that even children can and are severely overweight in grade school. I was. I weighted 169lbs in the 8th grade. Hard to move away from that at 13 years old.

So what age should we start kids on these drugs then? I mean, if we've abandoned the idea of giving them healthy food and exercise.

At whatever age they become obese because at that point it is statistically unlikely to impossible they will EVER be a normal weight their entire life without them. I was also about 200 pounds in 8th grade. Despite my parent’s best efforts to have me eat healthy and exercise, I remained obese through high school. From the ages of 20-30 I lost and gained 50 pounds five times, a hundred pounds once. Two decades of misery, shame, hunger, skin damage, and health problems from being obese could have been avoided if these drugs were available when I was in middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Last resort...that's crazy! Surgery should be last resort.

The mental gymnastics some of you are having are these meds is astonishing. They are helping lose weight and get healthy! Why are so against them? Page after page, no still has explained why the same conversations are not had about anxiety medications, acne medications cholesterol medications, blood pressure medications, ADHD medications,....

No one is "against" them for those who need them. But shouldn't our goal be to reduce the number of people who become obese and need them?

What some seem to suggest is there is NO WAY to take personal accountability and stop the eating pattern before you eventually become obese. So just throw up your hands and go straight to the meds.

Of course the goal should be to help people not get obese in the first place. And I would love to see things like: better nutrition standards for school lunches (no that's socialism!), better food labeling and nutritional standards (more socialism!), more physical activity at school (no, we need all STEM all the time!), fewer food deserts (socialism again!), more walking and biking infrastructure (but my commute! where will I PARRRRRK?).

For the parenthetical reasons above, none of the things that would actually help people not get obese in the first place will be implemented. People will keep "trying" the same thing ("personal responsibility" and its close cousin, fat-shaming) and the obesity epidemic will get worse.

So, just let people have the drugs that will help them eat less.

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Anonymous wrote:No because our grocery stores are filled with “food” that is loaded with chemicals and preservatives that destroy peoples gut health. And because for many overeating and obesity are symptomatic of greater issues that diet itself cannot resolve.

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This is reality. I wonder how the Pharm. D lol poster would explain the obesity rate in US tripling over the last 50 years. I'm sure there is newly discovered ailment responsible for the increase lmao

It's just insane that you are labeled a fat shamer if you point out that most people are obese because they fail to change their diet and exercise habits.

It’s not so much that you are a fat shaker. It’s just that you are extremely ignorant.

Please take responsibility for your health instead of looking for quick fixes. Some people are mentally stronger and more disciplined than others, so YMMV.

No thanks. I’m going to continue taking Ozempic. And I’m on Medicaid—so thank you specifically, taxpayer, for footing the bill!!

Good for you!

I am absolutely delighted at how angry you make the slavering dimwits on this thread, by the way. It is wonderful to see. Keep living your best life!

You are making personal attacks because you are angry and you know that your posts generally lack any type of substance. You are not a victim of "fat shamers." Several people disagree with you and that is fine. If Ozempic helps you lose weight, that's awesome.

I’m not obese and I’m not taking Ozempic. I am not a victim of fat shaming directly (it’s not directed at me), although I am indirectly a victim of fat shaming because I think fat shamers make the world more stupid and do real harm to good people.

I do like the PP who is taking Ozempic because she is doing great things for her health and because she is making people like you so angry in the process. I think her posts in this thread have been delightful, and I’m truly happy for her. I’m sure that makes you furious, but you’re already mad at the PP for just existing so a little more anger from you isn’t going to change anything.

You are also a gaslighter lmao. Indirectly a victim of fat shaming? That's crazy as hell. If you are so smart and consider yourself to be an expert or scientist, then why don't you post information that contributes to the topic instead of just making petty comments and name calling.

You might want to look into why you are personally offended that many people believe that most people are overweight due to lifestyle habits that are usually very hard to change. That isn't considered an extreme view.

Ir isn’t an extreme view, just a very scientifically outdated one.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Because fat people should clock in for a decade long shift of hunger and damaging yoyo dieting before they deserve the easy way out, obviously.

It shouldn’t come to that. Why not just eat less and better quality foods when you move up one pant size or 10 lbs? Why are people becoming so overweight they get to the point they need to resort to meds and surgery?

Okay well like half the country is already obese so we’re well beyond the fantasy world you’re living in.

Exactly. I mean I'm sure that poster realizes that even children can and are severely overweight in grade school. I was. I weighted 169lbs in the 8th grade. Hard to move away from that at 13 years old.

So what age should we start kids on these drugs then? I mean, if we've abandoned the idea of giving them healthy food and exercise.

At whatever age they become obese because at that point it is statistically unlikely to impossible they will EVER be a normal weight their entire life without them. I was also about 200 pounds in 8th grade. Despite my parent’s best efforts to have me eat healthy and exercise, I remained obese through high school. From the ages of 20-30 I lost and gained 50 pounds five times, a hundred pounds once. Two decades of misery, shame, hunger, skin damage, and health problems from being obese could have been avoided if these drugs were available when I was in middle school.

You want to start kids on drugs in middle school that they will have to take for the rest of their lives?!! And you don't think that should be the last resort?

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The side effects for these meds sound brutal. Anyone care to share their experience here?

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Because fat people should clock in for a decade long shift of hunger and damaging yoyo dieting before they deserve the easy way out, obviously.

It shouldn’t come to that. Why not just eat less and better quality foods when you move up one pant size or 10 lbs? Why are people becoming so overweight they get to the point they need to resort to meds and surgery?

Okay well like half the country is already obese so we’re well beyond the fantasy world you’re living in.

Exactly. I mean I'm sure that poster realizes that even children can and are severely overweight in grade school. I was. I weighted 169lbs in the 8th grade. Hard to move away from that at 13 years old.

So what age should we start kids on these drugs then? I mean, if we've abandoned the idea of giving them healthy food and exercise.

At whatever age they become obese because at that point it is statistically unlikely to impossible they will EVER be a normal weight their entire life without them. I was also about 200 pounds in 8th grade. Despite my parent’s best efforts to have me eat healthy and exercise, I remained obese through high school. From the ages of 20-30 I lost and gained 50 pounds five times, a hundred pounds once. Two decades of misery, shame, hunger, skin damage, and health problems from being obese could have been avoided if these drugs were available when I was in middle school.

You want to start kids on drugs in middle school that they will have to take for the rest of their lives?!! And you don't think that should be the last resort?

Yes, since there are currently no other evidence-based viable options for them besides weight loss surgery.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Drugs and surgery are the last resort for many, many kinds of illnesses and conditions! High blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, are all examples where you can try lifestyle changes first, and sometimes they work. When I have been injured, I've been prescribed physical therapy before going to surgery as a last resort. Even mental health issues, there is a long list of things you can try before drugs (meditation, sleep hygiene, reducing stress). Not saying no one should end up needing drugs/surgery, but it's not the first thing you go for when there are less invasive options.

When my blood pressure crept high, I was immediately prescribed blood pressure medicine. I personally chose not to take it and instead tried diet and exercise modifications first but I certainly wouldn’t say that it’s considered a last resort in any sense of the word.

Obviously it depends on the severity, other medical factors, and the individual doctor's approach.

I had high-ish cholesterol and was told by my doctor to change my diet to raise HDL and lower LDL. I did it. One year later, my numbers were drastically better (and I have kept the healthier diet).

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

Why should they be a last resort?

Drugs and surgery are the last resort for many, many kinds of illnesses and conditions! High blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, are all examples where you can try lifestyle changes first, and sometimes they work. When I have been injured, I've been prescribed physical therapy before going to surgery as a last resort. Even mental health issues, there is a long list of things you can try before drugs (meditation, sleep hygiene, reducing stress). Not saying no one should end up needing drugs/surgery, but it's not the first thing you go for when there are less invasive options.

When my blood pressure crept high, I was immediately prescribed blood pressure medicine. I personally chose not to take it and instead tried diet and exercise modifications first but I certainly wouldn’t say that it’s considered a last resort in any sense of the word.

Obviously it depends on the severity, other medical factors, and the individual doctor's approach.

I had high-ish cholesterol and was told by my doctor to change my diet to raise HDL and lower LDL. I did it. One year later, my numbers were drastically better (and I have kept the healthier diet).

Love that journey for you. If permanent weight loss were achievable through diet and exercise then I would be all for making that the first line treatment. But unfortunately it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

Obviously telling people to do these things doesn't work well. The US needs a complete society reset if we really want to address obesity - less driving, more walking, shorter work hours, less reliance on fast food, more knowledge of cooking and how to make healthy food, less processed food in stores. Of course that will never happen so we just tell people they should take medication, and pharmaceutical companies can make $$.

Well, yes. That approach is a lot more reality-based. I’m not disagreeing that it is unfortunate—there is a lot wrong with global lifestyles—but they aren’t going to change easily. And in the meantime, some obese people might be really helped by a promising drug.

Your outlook is depressing but not as depressing as continuing to blindly pretend that telling people to eat healthy and move more has literally any measurable positive health impact. At least you aren’t delusional.

Are you honestly saying we should tell people it doesn't matter what they eat or how much - they can eat however they please and then get in line for the drugs?

What about eating healthy for HEALTH? Shouldn't that be encouraged?

Most people are lazy, bottom line. They will take the easy way out if they can. If they hear that eating healthy/in moderation is pointless when it comes to weight, and that they can eat all the junk food they want and still lose weight by taking a pill (or shot, whatever), then they will.

Can you provide some hard evidence that telling people to eat healthy and move more as a public policy approach to obesity has moved the needle at all? I want studies showing that people who are told that kept weight off permanently. There are reams and reams of studies showing that diets do not work long-term, that education initiatives have largely failed to stop obesity, and that almost nothing other than surgery and now drugs work to keep weight off long-term. But you seem to be indicating that those studies are all wrong and that just telling people to eat healthy and move more is successful at both preventing weight gain and keeping it off for people who lose weight. So where is your hard evidence? What is the scientific underpinning of your wishful, magical thinking?