Why is it so hard to accept that the students at better colleges are simply better students?

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Anonymous wrote:1. Not ADD: While others may have been better students because they were neurotypical, that doesn't mean they are smarter. If a school only wants neurotypical students, then they can keep accepting 4.7 kids with 1700 SAT scores.

2. Cheating: My child spent four hours on a project when others spent 15 minutes cheating. So there's another reason. Some of the so-called "better students" are cheating.

3. Rich AF: Some of the "better students" are merely rich. Jared Kushner. George Bush (C Student at Yale) Do you think Ivanka Trump (Penn) could have been a "better student"? LOL!

4. Zero Support for College: My parents knew zilch about applying to schools and didn't help me at all. With zero support and an undiagnosed learning disability, I got decent grades, placed into gifted classes, and accepted into a state flagship.


I'm surprised you couldn't think of the reasons yourself, OP.

You really think kids are ‘cheating’ themselves into top colleges? You think you know they are cheating and their teachers, guidance counselors and the admissions officers do not?

OP has his point slightly wrong. They may not be ‘better students’ because that is subjective and for everyone. They are ‘better candidates’ because that is objective and set by the colleges and their admissions departments, and totally whatever they think that means. As it should be.

Actually, there is a lot more cheating going on than when we were in high school, especially since the pandemic. We who work in the schools are aware of it and doing what we can to stop it/convince them they're not helping themselves any in the long run. It's not easy when they feel such ridiculous pressure to have as high a GPA as possible and aren't focused on learning the skills as much as they should be.

That’s irrelevant to the PPs claim kids were cheating themselves into top schools.

Do you really believe that there are so many kids who, at ages 14-17 are so mature and long-term goal focused that they can graduate with a 4.5 (no mistakes, high rigor), a 1490+, multiple sports, leadership positions, awards, volunteer work, and have such great personalities that they get glowing letters of Rec that all the best schools can fill their freshmen classes with them? I couldn’t hold my laughter writing that. It’s absurd. Lots of lying, cheating, and unethical assistance going on from the kids and parents. And lots of pretending not to notice from schools- both high schools and colleges.

Clearly you have such a child. Good for you. Sincerely. I’ve been teaching for 20 years, though, and I can tell you that’s not uncommon. I teach higher-level classes and I have taught many straight-A athletes / musicians / etc. with tons of volunteer hours and awards. I’ve watched some go to top schools. I’ve watched some go to state universities. I’ve watched a couple go to academies or straight into the military. We are fortunate that we have SO MANY high performing students in our high schools.

You’re welcome to laugh, I suppose, but that doesn’t change reality. Sure, a few have cheated their way through with some help from their parents, but that only gets you so far. It’s really hard to cheat on the SAT, AP, and IB exams. Most have graduated honorably after putting in a ton of work. I’m proud of all of them, and the institutions they attend for college are lucky to have them (no matter which institution that is).

I actually don’t have such a child. I’m saying very few exist. I didn’t say they cheat on SATs. I’m saying very few kids are the WHOLE package but that’s what it takes to get into the top schools. It’s a show. If you really work with teenagers, you know how complicated these years are emotionally. Very few kids can really do it all without major helicoptering and help that crosses the line into cheating and lying and $$$ as the initial poster said. I don’t deny that they work hard. It’s just not enough to be so all around perfect for four years of adolescence and that’s what it takes.

I’m the PP and I stand by what I wrote. There are many, many high-performing students. None of them are perfect, nor does it take perfection to get into elite schools. I’m not sure why it’s a bad thing that there are so many good students?

On a related note, the best recommendation I ever wrote was actually for a B student who went to a very good school, one that DCUM would approve of. She was tremendous, with a work ethic and a positive demeanor that was such a pleasure to have in the classroom. Clearly the school saw in her the same thing her teachers did: a star. Was she perfect? No. Has she done very well at her college? Yes. (No, she was not an athlete, nor did she have a hook.)

It’s not a “bad thing”. It’s a fake thing. I think I made that clear.

I love your story, but I have one too. Despite an otherwise glowing transcript in every way complete with recs, I know a kid whose explanation for that one imperfect semester was that his dad committed suicide. More than one elite school didn’t think that mattered. You sound very nice and honestly a little innocent. It’s sweet (I’m not being snarky.) I have seen the inside of both competitive publics and privates - the lying, dishonesty, and embellishing that’s acceptable to many kids and their parents is disgusting. Colleges don’t seem motivated to do anything about it. They don’t even verify awards, jobs, non profits etc.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend’s DD was accepted to Yale last year. They are middle class. She is not going to Yale due to $$. You will say “anecdata!” but there it is.

Nobody believes these lies. Let me guess, she ended up at the local state school instead.

Your head is in the sand. Top students are priced out of “top” schools. This has always been true.

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This is why half of the Blair magnet class goes to UMD every year.

I am from NYC suburbs and a lot of kids would go to SUNY over T50 schools. I don’t know many/any kids who didn’t go to Harvard or Cornell for SUNY but they may have gone to SUNY over NYU, BU, Tufts, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Not ADD: While others may have been better students because they were neurotypical, that doesn't mean they are smarter. If a school only wants neurotypical students, then they can keep accepting 4.7 kids with 1700 SAT scores.

2. Cheating: My child spent four hours on a project when others spent 15 minutes cheating. So there's another reason. Some of the so-called "better students" are cheating.

3. Rich AF: Some of the "better students" are merely rich. Jared Kushner. George Bush (C Student at Yale) Do you think Ivanka Trump (Penn) could have been a "better student"? LOL!

4. Zero Support for College: My parents knew zilch about applying to schools and didn't help me at all. With zero support and an undiagnosed learning disability, I got decent grades, placed into gifted classes, and accepted into a state flagship.


I'm surprised you couldn't think of the reasons yourself, OP.

You really think kids are ‘cheating’ themselves into top colleges? You think you know they are cheating and their teachers, guidance counselors and the admissions officers do not?

OP has his point slightly wrong. They may not be ‘better students’ because that is subjective and for everyone. They are ‘better candidates’ because that is objective and set by the colleges and their admissions departments, and totally whatever they think that means. As it should be.

Actually, there is a lot more cheating going on than when we were in high school, especially since the pandemic. We who work in the schools are aware of it and doing what we can to stop it/convince them they're not helping themselves any in the long run. It's not easy when they feel such ridiculous pressure to have as high a GPA as possible and aren't focused on learning the skills as much as they should be.

That’s irrelevant to the PPs claim kids were cheating themselves into top schools.

Do you really believe that there are so many kids who, at ages 14-17 are so mature and long-term goal focused that they can graduate with a 4.5 (no mistakes, high rigor), a 1490+, multiple sports, leadership positions, awards, volunteer work, and have such great personalities that they get glowing letters of Rec that all the best schools can fill their freshmen classes with them? I couldn’t hold my laughter writing that. It’s absurd. Lots of lying, cheating, and unethical assistance going on from the kids and parents. And lots of pretending not to notice from schools- both high schools and colleges.

Clearly you have such a child. Good for you. Sincerely. I’ve been teaching for 20 years, though, and I can tell you that’s not uncommon. I teach higher-level classes and I have taught many straight-A athletes / musicians / etc. with tons of volunteer hours and awards. I’ve watched some go to top schools. I’ve watched some go to state universities. I’ve watched a couple go to academies or straight into the military. We are fortunate that we have SO MANY high performing students in our high schools.

You’re welcome to laugh, I suppose, but that doesn’t change reality. Sure, a few have cheated their way through with some help from their parents, but that only gets you so far. It’s really hard to cheat on the SAT, AP, and IB exams. Most have graduated honorably after putting in a ton of work. I’m proud of all of them, and the institutions they attend for college are lucky to have them (no matter which institution that is).

I actually don’t have such a child. I’m saying very few exist. I didn’t say they cheat on SATs. I’m saying very few kids are the WHOLE package but that’s what it takes to get into the top schools. It’s a show. If you really work with teenagers, you know how complicated these years are emotionally. Very few kids can really do it all without major helicoptering and help that crosses the line into cheating and lying and $$$ as the initial poster said. I don’t deny that they work hard. It’s just not enough to be so all around perfect for four years of adolescence and that’s what it takes.

I’m the PP and I stand by what I wrote. There are many, many high-performing students. None of them are perfect, nor does it take perfection to get into elite schools. I’m not sure why it’s a bad thing that there are so many good students?

On a related note, the best recommendation I ever wrote was actually for a B student who went to a very good school, one that DCUM would approve of. She was tremendous, with a work ethic and a positive demeanor that was such a pleasure to have in the classroom. Clearly the school saw in her the same thing her teachers did: a star. Was she perfect? No. Has she done very well at her college? Yes. (No, she was not an athlete, nor did she have a hook.)

It’s not a “bad thing”. It’s a fake thing. I think I made that clear.

I love your story, but I have one too. Despite an otherwise glowing transcript in every way complete with recs, I know a kid whose explanation for that one imperfect semester was that his dad committed suicide. More than one elite school didn’t think that mattered. You sound very nice and honestly a little innocent. It’s sweet (I’m not being snarky.) I have seen the inside of both competitive publics and privates - the lying, dishonesty, and embellishing that’s acceptable to many kids and their parents is disgusting. Colleges don’t seem motivated to do anything about it. They don’t even verify awards, jobs, non profits etc.

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You seem much more grounded in reality than the sweet but clearly naive other poster.

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Anonymous wrote:So many people in here huffing and puffing that they don’t care about school rank when they hire.

Yet we know that grads from better schools make more money than grads from lower-tier schools both when they start and 20+ years after graduation. Thus, it is unquestionably clear that writ large, employers DO care about school rank, and do think that grads of top schools make better employees.

Money talks, bullsht stays on DCUM forums.

Hon, the reason those kids make more money is because they all know and hire each other, and then each other's kids. It's nothing to do with making 'better employees.' The term you're looking for is 'nepotism.' You wouldn't know the term, of course; they called it 'merit' at your 'better school,' to make you and the other gentlemen's C students feel better about your poor sweet little mediocre selves.

Hon, if you think every single Ivy grad is personally known to thousands of employers and HR departments across the land, you are truly deluded. That's not how it works. What is happening is that the HR departments and hiring managers get countless applications from countless kids they don't even know, and they are putting the elite school grads at the top of the stack to get interviewed under the assumption (whether you like it or not) that these are smart kids and good students. And then those kids interview well so they get hired.

After that, an elite diploma might be enough to get you in the door but if you don't perform, you won't get promoted. The fact that the grads of top schools do better 20 years after graduating than kids of lesser schools shows that the elite grads are, indeed, performing.

But keep coping that your kid who went to some crappy state school has only been held back due to nepotism, lol.

NP. Have you ever actively worked in an elite environment? I think it’s pretty clear you haven’t.

Give us an example of the elite environments you're talking about.

Big Four
Big Law
FAANG
IB

It is transparently clear to me you’ve never stepped foot in one of those environments.

The only thing transparently clear is that you're a troll.

Actually, she is right on point in all four areas.

Here's the leadership team from PWC. Take a look at where they studied and then tell me going to an elite college matters to the Big Four.

https://www.pwc.com/us/en/about-us/leadership.html

I'm confident the same is true for all of the other areas listed.

Accounting is one of the more egalitarian professional fields. It's not like IB where you have to be Bradford, Chatford, Schmuckford, or Tripp.

Becoming some “big four” cpa is the quintessential middle class worker bee career. Barely a notch above nursing and public school teacher, which are barely a notch above cop and firefighter. All fine careers and they provide a fine quality of life. But very few students at elite colleges are gunning for such tracks. You don’t need to work your butt off in 9th-12th and jump through all the hoops to become a cpa, nurse, teacher or cop. You can go to any community college and directional state school to do any of those things.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Not ADD: While others may have been better students because they were neurotypical, that doesn't mean they are smarter. If a school only wants neurotypical students, then they can keep accepting 4.7 kids with 1700 SAT scores.

2. Cheating: My child spent four hours on a project when others spent 15 minutes cheating. So there's another reason. Some of the so-called "better students" are cheating.

3. Rich AF: Some of the "better students" are merely rich. Jared Kushner. George Bush (C Student at Yale) Do you think Ivanka Trump (Penn) could have been a "better student"? LOL!

4. Zero Support for College: My parents knew zilch about applying to schools and didn't help me at all. With zero support and an undiagnosed learning disability, I got decent grades, placed into gifted classes, and accepted into a state flagship.


I'm surprised you couldn't think of the reasons yourself, OP.

You really think kids are ‘cheating’ themselves into top colleges? You think you know they are cheating and their teachers, guidance counselors and the admissions officers do not?

OP has his point slightly wrong. They may not be ‘better students’ because that is subjective and for everyone. They are ‘better candidates’ because that is objective and set by the colleges and their admissions departments, and totally whatever they think that means. As it should be.

Actually, there is a lot more cheating going on than when we were in high school, especially since the pandemic. We who work in the schools are aware of it and doing what we can to stop it/convince them they're not helping themselves any in the long run. It's not easy when they feel such ridiculous pressure to have as high a GPA as possible and aren't focused on learning the skills as much as they should be.

That’s irrelevant to the PPs claim kids were cheating themselves into top schools.

Do you really believe that there are so many kids who, at ages 14-17 are so mature and long-term goal focused that they can graduate with a 4.5 (no mistakes, high rigor), a 1490+, multiple sports, leadership positions, awards, volunteer work, and have such great personalities that they get glowing letters of Rec that all the best schools can fill their freshmen classes with them? I couldn’t hold my laughter writing that. It’s absurd. Lots of lying, cheating, and unethical assistance going on from the kids and parents. And lots of pretending not to notice from schools- both high schools and colleges.

Clearly you have such a child. Good for you. Sincerely. I’ve been teaching for 20 years, though, and I can tell you that’s not uncommon. I teach higher-level classes and I have taught many straight-A athletes / musicians / etc. with tons of volunteer hours and awards. I’ve watched some go to top schools. I’ve watched some go to state universities. I’ve watched a couple go to academies or straight into the military. We are fortunate that we have SO MANY high performing students in our high schools.

You’re welcome to laugh, I suppose, but that doesn’t change reality. Sure, a few have cheated their way through with some help from their parents, but that only gets you so far. It’s really hard to cheat on the SAT, AP, and IB exams. Most have graduated honorably after putting in a ton of work. I’m proud of all of them, and the institutions they attend for college are lucky to have them (no matter which institution that is).

I actually don’t have such a child. I’m saying very few exist. I didn’t say they cheat on SATs. I’m saying very few kids are the WHOLE package but that’s what it takes to get into the top schools. It’s a show. If you really work with teenagers, you know how complicated these years are emotionally. Very few kids can really do it all without major helicoptering and help that crosses the line into cheating and lying and $$$ as the initial poster said. I don’t deny that they work hard. It’s just not enough to be so all around perfect for four years of adolescence and that’s what it takes.

I’m the PP and I stand by what I wrote. There are many, many high-performing students. None of them are perfect, nor does it take perfection to get into elite schools. I’m not sure why it’s a bad thing that there are so many good students?

On a related note, the best recommendation I ever wrote was actually for a B student who went to a very good school, one that DCUM would approve of. She was tremendous, with a work ethic and a positive demeanor that was such a pleasure to have in the classroom. Clearly the school saw in her the same thing her teachers did: a star. Was she perfect? No. Has she done very well at her college? Yes. (No, she was not an athlete, nor did she have a hook.)

It’s not a “bad thing”. It’s a fake thing. I think I made that clear.

I love your story, but I have one too. Despite an otherwise glowing transcript in every way complete with recs, I know a kid whose explanation for that one imperfect semester was that his dad committed suicide. More than one elite school didn’t think that mattered. You sound very nice and honestly a little innocent. It’s sweet (I’m not being snarky.) I have seen the inside of both competitive publics and privates - the lying, dishonesty, and embellishing that’s acceptable to many kids and their parents is disgusting. Colleges don’t seem motivated to do anything about it. They don’t even verify awards, jobs, non profits etc.

+1

You seem much more grounded in reality than the sweet but clearly naive other poster.

I’m the PP. I’m not sweet (as much as I wish I could be), nor am I naive. My experience simply doesn’t match yours. I’ve seen dishonesty, but I’ve seen more honest, hard work. I refuse to pretend it doesn’t exist simply to fit your (cynical?) narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Becoming some “big four” cpa is the quintessential middle class worker bee career. Barely a notch above nursing and public school teacher, which are barely a notch above cop and firefighter. All fine careers and they provide a fine quality of life. But very few students at elite colleges are gunning for such tracks. You don’t need to work your butt off in 9th-12th and jump through all the hoops to become a cpa, nurse, teacher or cop. You can go to any community college and directional state school to do any of those things.

If you’re one of the parents who emphasizes the value of the humanities and a great general education: Cool.

If you’re one of the parents saying that kids should all major in premed, CS or business to maximize education ROI: I think that accepting this point of view is a mistake.

Few kids understand what accounting is, and it’s understandable that accounting is not those kids’ top choice.

But, for kids who are good enough with details to cope with accounting, and who have good people and analytical skills, accounting is the obvious gateway to wealth.

Everyone needs accountants, and accountants’ value improves with age. Accountants who keep up with their continuing education credits and are still sharp will be more value at age 75, not less.

A strong accounting background can make a law degree or even a CS degree more valuable, and it can turn an English, poli sci or arts degree into a helpful asset, rather than something to be hidden.

So, if many bright kids are avoiding careers in accounting, that simply improves the already wonderful opportunities in that field for the students clever enough to focus on it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not. Everyone knows this. In fact, it’s obvious.

Then would you agree that the reason for the low graduation rates has more to do with their lack of academic competence rather because they're busy?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not. Everyone knows this. In fact, it’s obvious.

Then would you agree that the reason for the low graduation rates has more to do with their lack of academic competence rather because they're busy?

It’s money.

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Anonymous wrote:So many people in here huffing and puffing that they don’t care about school rank when they hire.

Yet we know that grads from better schools make more money than grads from lower-tier schools both when they start and 20+ years after graduation. Thus, it is unquestionably clear that writ large, employers DO care about school rank, and do think that grads of top schools make better employees.

Money talks, bullsht stays on DCUM forums.

Hon, the reason those kids make more money is because they all know and hire each other, and then each other's kids. It's nothing to do with making 'better employees.' The term you're looking for is 'nepotism.' You wouldn't know the term, of course; they called it 'merit' at your 'better school,' to make you and the other gentlemen's C students feel better about your poor sweet little mediocre selves.

Hon, if you think every single Ivy grad is personally known to thousands of employers and HR departments across the land, you are truly deluded. That's not how it works. What is happening is that the HR departments and hiring managers get countless applications from countless kids they don't even know, and they are putting the elite school grads at the top of the stack to get interviewed under the assumption (whether you like it or not) that these are smart kids and good students. And then those kids interview well so they get hired.

After that, an elite diploma might be enough to get you in the door but if you don't perform, you won't get promoted. The fact that the grads of top schools do better 20 years after graduating than kids of lesser schools shows that the elite grads are, indeed, performing.

But keep coping that your kid who went to some crappy state school has only been held back due to nepotism, lol.

NP. Have you ever actively worked in an elite environment? I think it’s pretty clear you haven’t.

Give us an example of the elite environments you're talking about.

Big Four
Big Law
FAANG
IB

It is transparently clear to me you’ve never stepped foot in one of those environments.

The only thing transparently clear is that you're a troll.

Actually, she is right on point in all four areas.

Here's the leadership team from PWC. Take a look at where they studied and then tell me going to an elite college matters to the Big Four.

https://www.pwc.com/us/en/about-us/leadership.html

I'm confident the same is true for all of the other areas listed.

Top feeders to business school: Dartmouth, Chicago, Claremont, Yale, Williams, Harvard, Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, Amherst
Top feeders to Wall Street: Penn, NYU, Cornall, Michigan, Harvard, Columbia, Chicago, Berkeley, Notre Dame, Duke

You confidence that elite colleges "don't matter" in the business world is stupid and misplaced.

Attending "business school" denotes obtaining a 4-year bachelor of business degree in a business school major. Not mere grad school after studying basket weaving for 4 years. So your post is nonsensical

No it denotes undergrad schools that feed graduate business programs regardless of the undergrad major (which may well include basket weaving). So you didn't understand the post and your response is nonsensical.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents want their kids in the most elite orbits in high school to college because that’s likely where they’ll meet a spouse. You want your kids being orbited by flunkies and drunks with low ambition, be my guest. Take the bribe (merit money) to attend some tier 4 school. In all likelihood it will work out fine for your kid - - or maybe it won’t. And maybe it seems fine at first but doesn’t 10 years out.

Bored teens on Xmas morning are so tiresome. You are so, so unaware of how the real world works, child.

“You can still succeed even if you attend a mediocre state school” isn’t how the real world works now either, Boomer.

Lol, you are 13 and have no idea how the real world works. Go play with your new steam deck, child, and stop with your nonsense.

You went to a state school in the 1970s or 1980s and you have no idea how the real world works now, Boomer.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents want their kids in the most elite orbits in high school to college because that’s likely where they’ll meet a spouse. You want your kids being orbited by flunkies and drunks with low ambition, be my guest. Take the bribe (merit money) to attend some tier 4 school. In all likelihood it will work out fine for your kid - - or maybe it won’t. And maybe it seems fine at first but doesn’t 10 years out.

Bored teens on Xmas morning are so tiresome. You are so, so unaware of how the real world works, child.

“You can still succeed even if you attend a mediocre state school” isn’t how the real world works now either, Boomer.

Lol, you are 13 and have no idea how the real world works. Go play with your new steam deck, child, and stop with your nonsense.

You went to a state school in the 1970s or 1980s and you have no idea how the real world works now, Boomer.

HYPS in the early 2000s. And I hire.

Idk why I am wasting my time with an ignorant troll, though. That is indeed a good question.

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I’m a high school English teacher, so I’m pretty involved and in tune with the application process. Having pushy parents to ensure teachers fear giving lower than an A and being able and willing to “help” in the application process is what gets at least half of our students who attend “elite” colleges over the line. Some of the more blatant acts of dishonesty stock in my mind and make me feel bad, years later, but I can assure you this is all a game, not strictly a merit-based system.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school English teacher, so I’m pretty involved and in tune with the application process. Having pushy parents to ensure teachers fear giving lower than an A and being able and willing to “help” in the application process is what gets at least half of our students who attend “elite” colleges over the line. Some of the more blatant acts of dishonesty stock in my mind and make me feel bad, years later, but I can assure you this is all a game, not strictly a merit-based system.

*stick, not stock

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Anonymous wrote:Parents want their kids in the most elite orbits in high school to college because that’s likely where they’ll meet a spouse. You want your kids being orbited by flunkies and drunks with low ambition, be my guest. Take the bribe (merit money) to attend some tier 4 school. In all likelihood it will work out fine for your kid - - or maybe it won’t. And maybe it seems fine at first but doesn’t 10 years out.

Bored teens on Xmas morning are so tiresome. You are so, so unaware of how the real world works, child.

“You can still succeed even if you attend a mediocre state school” isn’t how the real world works now either, Boomer.

Lol, you are 13 and have no idea how the real world works. Go play with your new steam deck, child, and stop with your nonsense.

You went to a state school in the 1970s or 1980s and you have no idea how the real world works now, Boomer.

HYPS in the early 2000s. And I hire.

Idk why I am wasting my time with an ignorant troll, though. That is indeed a good question.

Sure thing, Boomer. Everyone on the internet went to Harvard and is a CEO or something.

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Lmao