Why is it so hard to accept that the students at better colleges are simply better students?

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Anonymous wrote:A bad student was 6 APs and a B average? SMH You obsessed people are sick and need professional help. I am so sorry for your kids.

Right? Bad students at my HS didn’t graduate and were involved in gangs. 🙄

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T50 60 regular kids are definitely better than ALDC kids at T10 20

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Because they’re not? Do you have any idea how expensive the club sports are that you have to do to be good enough to be a recruited athlete? That doesn’t mean they’re better students.

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I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Who does not accept this? I think the caliber of people at better schools is also a reason to go there. There are some iffy folks at some of the large state schools some of my kids' friends plan to go to (we live in the South). Not interested. They will go to liberal arts schools with prep school kids. Sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school English teacher, so I’m pretty involved and in tune with the application process. Having pushy parents to ensure teachers fear giving lower than an A and being able and willing to “help” in the application process is what gets at least half of our students who attend “elite” colleges over the line. Some of the more blatant acts of dishonesty stock in my mind and make me feel bad, years later, but I can assure you this is all a game, not strictly a merit-based system.

We understand perfectly. You went to a crappy school and have a crappy low-paid, low-prestige job, and you hate, hate, hate it that there are kids with more talent and ambition than you, so of course you have to cope and seethe that they're somehow cheating and gaming the system.

DP here.

I’m also a high school teacher. I got into prestigious schools, but picked a state school because of finances. I was offered a job out of college making three times my current salary, but I turned it down to become a teacher. Why? Because I was raised by parents who told me that the purpose in life is to contribute to society, not to fill my personal wallet.

You may not want to accept this, but there are people who value integrity and service over prestige. I’m one of them. I suspect the teacher you are responding to is another.

If you feel better after putting down others, then do what you need to do to feel good about yourself. The rest of us will simply see it for what it is: insecurity. The truth is people pick colleges and careers for a myriad of different reasons. That’s really the answer to this whole ridiculous thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school English teacher, so I’m pretty involved and in tune with the application process. Having pushy parents to ensure teachers fear giving lower than an A and being able and willing to “help” in the application process is what gets at least half of our students who attend “elite” colleges over the line. Some of the more blatant acts of dishonesty stock in my mind and make me feel bad, years later, but I can assure you this is all a game, not strictly a merit-based system.

We understand perfectly. You went to a crappy school and have a crappy low-paid, low-prestige job, and you hate, hate, hate it that there are kids with more talent and ambition than you, so of course you have to cope and seethe that they're somehow cheating and gaming the system.

DP here.

I’m also a high school teacher. I got into prestigious schools, but picked a state school because of finances. I was offered a job out of college making three times my current salary, but I turned it down to become a teacher. Why? Because I was raised by parents who told me that the purpose in life is to contribute to society, not to fill my personal wallet.

You may not want to accept this, but there are people who value integrity and service over prestige. I’m one of them. I suspect the teacher you are responding to is another.

If you feel better after putting down others, then do what you need to do to feel good about yourself. The rest of us will simply see it for what it is: insecurity. The truth is people pick colleges and careers for a myriad of different reasons. That’s really the answer to this whole ridiculous thread.

Very nicely put. It's amazing how many people seem unable to grasp the idea of public service having more value to someone than money. The world would be in seriously worse shape if this were not true.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a high school English teacher, so I’m pretty involved and in tune with the application process. Having pushy parents to ensure teachers fear giving lower than an A and being able and willing to “help” in the application process is what gets at least half of our students who attend “elite” colleges over the line. Some of the more blatant acts of dishonesty stock in my mind and make me feel bad, years later, but I can assure you this is all a game, not strictly a merit-based system.

We understand perfectly. You went to a crappy school and have a crappy low-paid, low-prestige job, and you hate, hate, hate it that there are kids with more talent and ambition than you, so of course you have to cope and seethe that they're somehow cheating and gaming the system.

DP here.

I’m also a high school teacher. I got into prestigious schools, but picked a state school because of finances. I was offered a job out of college making three times my current salary, but I turned it down to become a teacher. Why? Because I was raised by parents who told me that the purpose in life is to contribute to society, not to fill my personal wallet.

You may not want to accept this, but there are people who value integrity and service over prestige. I’m one of them. I suspect the teacher you are responding to is another.

If you feel better after putting down others, then do what you need to do to feel good about yourself. The rest of us will simply see it for what it is: insecurity. The truth is people pick colleges and careers for a myriad of different reasons. That’s really the answer to this whole ridiculous thread.

+1 And applause.

This forum is full of kids and parents who value nothing but status and money. I am grateful there are people who value education, teaching, and children. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who does not accept this? I think the caliber of people at better schools is also a reason to go there. There are some iffy folks at some of the large state schools some of my kids' friends plan to go to (we live in the South). Not interested. They will go to liberal arts schools with prep school kids. Sorry not sorry.

Some of the best students go to state flagships for financial reasons. The top ranked colleges are filled with the best students whose parents can afford tuition. That’s a pretty important qualifier

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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

Exactly! There are some bitter Betties + resentful Ruths who say they would rather hire GMU than Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

FAANG is full of people who don’t just side-eye elite school graduates, they put them at the bottom of the pile (the exceptions being MIT/CMU, etc.). Sorry to break it to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who does not accept this? I think the caliber of people at better schools is also a reason to go there. There are some iffy folks at some of the large state schools some of my kids' friends plan to go to (we live in the South). Not interested. They will go to liberal arts schools with prep school kids. Sorry not sorry.

Some of the best students go to state flagships for financial reasons. The top ranked colleges are filled with the best students whose parents can afford tuition. That’s a pretty important qualifier

+1. Duh. Except top-ranked schools also have a significant percentage of low-income students who attend at low or no cost. The poor and the wealthy can afford elite schools; it's the people in between who balk at the cost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

FAANG is full of people who don’t just side-eye elite school graduates, they put them at the bottom of the pile (the exceptions being MIT/CMU, etc.). Sorry to break it to you.

What is OCR and why does FAANG do it at elite schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

FAANG is full of people who don’t just side-eye elite school graduates, they put them at the bottom of the pile (the exceptions being MIT/CMU, etc.). Sorry to break it to you.

What is OCR and why does FAANG do it at elite schools.

Oh, you only understand the entry-level job market.

This thread suddenly makes a lot more sense. It’s filled with people who haven’t ever had anything more than basic, entry-level jobs. Now I understand the lack of realism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a few posters indicating that they side eye or give extra scrutiny to resumes from elite school graduates. While this may be true, it's also not relevant, because they likely don't work at places that most elite school graduates want to work. The occasional washout drifts your way, no big deal.

FAANG is full of people who don’t just side-eye elite school graduates, they put them at the bottom of the pile (the exceptions being MIT/CMU, etc.). Sorry to break it to you.

What is OCR and why does FAANG do it at elite schools.

Oh, you only understand the entry-level job market.

This thread suddenly makes a lot more sense. It’s filled with people who haven’t ever had anything more than basic, entry-level jobs. Now I understand the lack of realism.

Is there a reason you couldn’t answer pp’s question?