Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

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There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

Not with the STEM demand and tech lobby.

Well then American do STEM and Tech.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

Not with the STEM demand and tech lobby.

There are multiple American applicants for ever undergraduate seat offering a good STEM education.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

Seriously? You should do some googling about racism and how people are affected by it on a generational basis. I’m surprised you’ve never encountered information about why this is so.

Serously? you think Asians get less racism??

Yes, seriously. It is nothing like the effects of racism aimed at black Americans over the years. It is something that happened in the US, so it is something that US institutions should be part of helping to ameliorate the effects of.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

Explain why Chinese Americans should pay for what the State did to Blacks 50, 100, 200 years ago.  

You can just say you don't have any more logic and argument rather than coming back with cringe cheap shots.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

Explain why Chinese Americans should pay for what the State did to Blacks 50, 100, 200 years ago.  

You can just say you don't have any more logic and argument rather than coming back with cringe cheap shots.

UNC is a state institution. The state committed the wrong and is attempting to fix it through state institutions. Anyone choosing to live in North Carolina should be aware of that state's history and of the state's current efforts to address previous wrongs.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions might have some new backers after this new article:
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-why-elite-colleges-cant-give-up-legacy-admissions/

Wow, which school's data was used in the legacy study? Has it been called out publicly yet? Legacy admissions sound more compelling from a school's perspective based on the news story (I haven't read the actual article).

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

Not with the STEM demand and tech lobby.

The tech folks would rather train Americans who will stay here with the knowledge and their trade secrets

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Doesn't colleges value a lot of 'overcoming hardships or obstacles'?

Hasn't Asians proved to be best at that, but they still get lower score? LOL

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

Explain why Chinese Americans should pay for what the State did to Blacks 50, 100, 200 years ago.  

You can just say you don't have any more logic and argument rather than coming back with cringe cheap shots.

UNC is a state institution. The state committed the wrong and is attempting to fix it through state institutions. Anyone choosing to live in North Carolina should be aware of that state's history and of the state's current efforts to address previous wrongs.

by discriminating another minority individuals??

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

Explain why Chinese Americans should pay for what the State did to Blacks 50, 100, 200 years ago.  

You can just say you don't have any more logic and argument rather than coming back with cringe cheap shots.

UNC is a state institution. The state committed the wrong and is attempting to fix it through state institutions. Anyone choosing to live in North Carolina should be aware of that state's history and of the state's current efforts to address previous wrongs.

by discriminating another minority individuals??

subject-verb agreement again

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

Not with the STEM demand and tech lobby.

The tech folks would rather train Americans who will stay here with the knowledge and their trade secrets

If Congress ever wants to compromise on something, you'd get MAGA strong border folks and democratic labor supports on board. It seems like a pretty low hanging fruit.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

You have a comma and period, but no logic.

There you go. You wrote a complete sentence with both proper punctuation and subject-verb agreement. You deserve a cookie.

Explain why Chinese Americans should pay for what the State did to Blacks 50, 100, 200 years ago.  

You can just say you don't have any more logic and argument rather than coming back with cringe cheap shots.

UNC is a state institution. The state committed the wrong and is attempting to fix it through state institutions. Anyone choosing to live in North Carolina should be aware of that state's history and of the state's current efforts to address previous wrongs.

by discriminating another minority individuals??

subject-verb agreement again

no logic again

[Anonymous]

it doesn't matter which race, but we should not allow foreigner nationals to take spots especially for state-funded schools