Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)

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Instead of trying to compensate for discrimination (racial, religious, gender, sexual etc, take steps to end it all.

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of trying to compensate for discrimination (racial, religious, gender, sexual etc, take steps to end it all.

Wow. So easy, wonder why no one thought is that before.

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of trying to compensate for discrimination (racial, religious, gender, sexual etc, take steps to end it all.

+1 End all of the discrimination and just ignore the current effects of past discriminatory policy.

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Do they keep mentioning squash bc they think it sounds ridiculous?

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they keep mentioning squash bc they think it sounds ridiculous?

Discriminatinon aginst squash

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Anonymous wrote:Do they keep mentioning squash bc they think it sounds ridiculous?

It kind of does. I think we all understand why schools favor certain athletes, like football or basketball players, given the level of interest in those sports and the amounts of money involved. Squash is basically racquetball played only by a small segment of rich, white kids at NE prep schools.

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there is only 1 race, the human race

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

[Anonymous]

There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:So if a kid mentions their race or references it in an essay, what is the "fair admission" guy saying? That AOs can't use the essay?

That was one of the questions asked by (I think) Justice Jackson. There was no direct answer.

Eventually agreed that it is probably ok in that context, since an Asian student could also reference in their essay eg. discrimination that they may also have faced growing up.

I heard Jackson ask whether if you have 2 kids, one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and gone to UNC for 5 generations, and one whose family has lived in NC for 5 generations and could not go to UNC for 5 generations because of slavery, could they each say it was important to them to go to UNC for those reasons and could UNC consider each of those stories as factors and the plaintiffs' lawyer basically said UNC could consider the first and not the second (though he did say UNC could refuse to consider the first, and could consider first gen or low SES students).

It sounds so stpuid a kid born in 2023 is affected by the slavery of his/her slave ancestors.

Yes, stupid and very sad that this is true.

How is the kid affected by slavery today?

She gave UNC as the example, so using North Carolina you have free slaves who are immediately turned into share croppers. Thanks to another century of Jim Crow and segregation, the odds that their descendants managed to build up the kind of wealth that a white family amassed is huge. The biggest massive move into the middle class was after WWII. The GI bill effectively excluded black southern men, union factory work was also out. If they did save enough for a home, redlining and discriminatory mortgage lending ensured that it would never be as good an investment as a similarly situated white family. But these problems have been solved for a couple of decades now, so people need to stop whining.

Uh... Korea, Japan, Vietnam, China all went through major wars, and a lot of immigrants came here without much, and they get as much as discrimination

ok, what exactly does the State of North Carolina owe a Chinese immigrant?

Tax paying citizens??????????????????

ok. On the other hand you have victims of 200+ years of state policy specifically intended to keep a group poor and powerless.

LMFAO, why are Chinese American citizens sacrificed with racial dicrimination for something the State did to Blacks 100 years ago??

If the State owes something to Blacks, pay it.
Why make Chinese Citizens pay for the State. DUH

Keep trying, you almost have a coherent thought

I thought so you don't have any logic.

There's a little bit of back sliding with this one. Punctuation can be helpful, but I'm not sure that a comma can do anything for that one.

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

[Anonymous]

Legacy admissions might have some new backers after this new article:
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-why-elite-colleges-cant-give-up-legacy-admissions/

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Anonymous wrote:There will be many more strong applicants coming from Asia itself in the future too with the growing wealth and population growth there. This won't just be about Asian Americans.

Visa restrictions solve that problem

Not with the STEM demand and tech lobby.