DC White flight - what will it mean for education?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason moving to suburban schools doesn't lead to desired college admissions results.

Do you want to compare the Ws or FCPS school outcomes to the outcomes from Eastern High? For families that can afford to be in bounds for Wilson (and who insist that Chevy Chase DC is not the suburbs while Chevy Chase MD is clearly the suburbs) DCPS works fine. For families that would be inbounds to any other high school, it's easier to move than hope for lottery luck

This argument makes no sense to me. If your child does well at their suburban school, they’d also probably do well, and most likely ranked even higher at Eastern.

Just curious, are you planning to send your child to Eastern?

I’m in the Coolidge feeder, but will be sending my kid there.

Your child who is … how old? Because we hear a lot of talk from parents about how they’re going to use their IB school and then the kids magically end up at BASIS, Latin, or a test in DCPS.

You asked, I answered. I’m a believer in public education and want to invest in it through my children. Don’t project others inferiority on me I’m real

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.

NP. Agree my friends with kids in HS in MoCo also complain. Also kids in DCPS can take advanced classes in MS and HS. Not all kids are disruptive and not all teachers have low expectations. I doubt you have kids in DCPS.

I do have kids in DCPS middle and elementary schools, and I don’t find it useful to pretend DCPS’s problems away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a reason moving to suburban schools doesn't lead to desired college admissions results.

Do you want to compare the Ws or FCPS school outcomes to the outcomes from Eastern High? For families that can afford to be in bounds for Wilson (and who insist that Chevy Chase DC is not the suburbs while Chevy Chase MD is clearly the suburbs) DCPS works fine. For families that would be inbounds to any other high school, it's easier to move than hope for lottery luck

This argument makes no sense to me. If your child does well at their suburban school, they’d also probably do well, and most likely ranked even higher at Eastern.

Just curious, are you planning to send your child to Eastern?

I’m in the Coolidge feeder, but will be sending my kid there.

Your child who is … how old? Because we hear a lot of talk from parents about how they’re going to use their IB school and then the kids magically end up at BASIS, Latin, or a test in DCPS.

You asked, I answered. I’m a believer in public education and want to invest in it through my children. Don’t project others inferiority on me I’m real

So…. pre-K. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

Its a way of life and part of learning for good urban students, not a once every other month long haul trip from far flung suburb.

I live here and my kids go to school here and I think this is idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason moving to suburban schools doesn't lead to desired college admissions results.

Do you want to compare the Ws or FCPS school outcomes to the outcomes from Eastern High? For families that can afford to be in bounds for Wilson (and who insist that Chevy Chase DC is not the suburbs while Chevy Chase MD is clearly the suburbs) DCPS works fine. For families that would be inbounds to any other high school, it's easier to move than hope for lottery luck

This argument makes no sense to me. If your child does well at their suburban school, they’d also probably do well, and most likely ranked even higher at Eastern.

Just curious, are you planning to send your child to Eastern?

I’m in the Coolidge feeder, but will be sending my kid there.

Your child who is … how old? Because we hear a lot of talk from parents about how they’re going to use their IB school and then the kids magically end up at BASIS, Latin, or a test in DCPS.

You asked, I answered. I’m a believer in public education and want to invest in it through my children. Don’t project others inferiority on me I’m real

So…. pre-K. Got it.

It’s fun how you can do that all day and I’ll never convince you so I’m gonna go back to my vacay now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

Its a way of life and part of learning for good urban students, not a once every other month long haul trip from far flung suburb.

I live here and my kids go to school here and I think this is idiotic.

Its a free country and you are entitled to your opinion, it doesn't effect anyone.

[Anonymous]

Well, you can live on beach and never put a foot in water but urban living opens you up to an ocean of real life experiences.

[Anonymous]

Its not that urban schools doesn't have any negatives, they do and lots of those but there are lots of positives as well. Bottom line is to make the most of positives and use them to your advantage, instead of thinking about greener grass on the suburban lawn. Every decision has its pros and cons.

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Anonymous wrote:Its not that urban schools doesn't have any negatives, they do and lots of those but there are lots of positives as well. Bottom line is to make the most of positives and use them to your advantage, instead of thinking about greener grass on the suburban lawn. Every decision has its pros and cons.

+1...In my experience, suburbanites rarely come into the city. This is the Nation's Capital and a lot act like it's the other side of the world. Tons of history and culture but you can't make people experience things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.

NP. Agree my friends with kids in HS in MoCo also complain. Also kids in DCPS can take advanced classes in MS and HS. Not all kids are disruptive and not all teachers have low expectations. I doubt you have kids in DCPS.

I do have kids in DCPS middle and elementary schools, and I don’t find it useful to pretend DCPS’s problems away.

I don’t pretend the problems away. My kids attended a Big 3 DC private and it wasn’t perfect either. I just find it comical that you think there are schools with no problems. Let us know if this utopia school exists. (Spoiler: it doesn’t!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your odds of getting high rank, impressive recommendation letters, endorsement from guidance counselors/principals, having leadership positions are better where you are in top tier of students, not where you are just one of hundreds. You can also alleviate your peers with your good example and make a good impact. Nothing better for a young person's confidence than peer to peer tutoring, leadership positions and admiration of teachers. All of that shows in essays and interviews.

There is peer to peer tutoring at Whitman. And?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

Its a way of life and part of learning for good urban students, not a once every other month long haul trip from far flung suburb.

Are you for real? Arlington and Bethesda offer the same accessibility. I'm a DCPS parent (lifers) and you are not helping your position with this silliness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a reason moving to suburban schools doesn't lead to desired college admissions results.

Do you want to compare the Ws or FCPS school outcomes to the outcomes from Eastern High? For families that can afford to be in bounds for Wilson (and who insist that Chevy Chase DC is not the suburbs while Chevy Chase MD is clearly the suburbs) DCPS works fine. For families that would be inbounds to any other high school, it's easier to move than hope for lottery luck

This argument makes no sense to me. If your child does well at their suburban school, they’d also probably do well, and most likely ranked even higher at Eastern.

Just curious, are you planning to send your child to Eastern?

I’m in the Coolidge feeder, but will be sending my kid there.

I’m a DCPS HS teacher and you sound naive. High school is a completely different beast from ES and MS. And teenagers have their own ideas where they want to go for high school by the way.

[Anonymous]

Back to the topic of the article, many middle class whites and blacks leaving will be bad news re: taxes which could impact schools. May not, if enrollment drops, spending per pupil may be similar.

DCPS has gone through boom and bust cycles before, when I first came to the city decades ago there were a LOT of vacant public school buildings.

FWIW, I know quite a few people who left DC and often DMV during cv and who do not plan to return. It was driven by crime and other factors, relocating to have open schools or family help during cv, for example. None regret it and many say they wish they had done it sooner. Many friend who left had school aged kids, some have very young kids. The crime, distance from family and COL were drivers for most.

The OP posed the question, how will so much middle class tax money (and I'd add white AND black) leaving DC impact schools? Probably negatively. Past is prologue.

On the upside, fears re: school overcrowding may ease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Students at academically, racially, politically and financially diverse high schools learn dealing with a diverse demographics, conflict resolution and real world hustle. They see consequences of good and bad choices. They see justice and injustice. They are more independent. They've options to to attend a seminar, a museum exhibition, a protest, a sports game, a concert, a court hearing, an NPR recording, an embassy outreach, a church service and what not on a weekend by just walking to or taking a metro to the venue. While there are cons, there are lots of pro which make an inner city school experience worthwhile.

This is the most clueless delusional nonsense I’ve ever read. Just stop.

Students at urban schools get to deal with classmates who are disruptive and grade levels behind due to poverty, generational trauma and absentee parents. They get to deal with a lack of advanced classes and academic extracurricular offerings, poor college counseling and low expectations. They get to deal with violence and zero accountability.

Meanwhile, students at strong suburban schools have to deal with NONE of that, plus they can jump on the metro and visit any of the tourist attractions on your list that supposedly make urban schools so amazing.

You may want to talk to some MoCo, Fairfax, Loudon, etc. parents. The issues are the same in much larger systems. There is no utopia.

NP. Agree my friends with kids in HS in MoCo also complain. Also kids in DCPS can take advanced classes in MS and HS. Not all kids are disruptive and not all teachers have low expectations. I doubt you have kids in DCPS.

I do have kids in DCPS middle and elementary schools, and I don’t find it useful to pretend DCPS’s problems away.

I don’t pretend the problems away. My kids attended a Big 3 DC private and it wasn’t perfect either. I just find it comical that you think there are schools with no problems. Let us know if this utopia school exists. (Spoiler: it doesn’t!)

The fact that you think the problems in a big 3 private are in the same universe as the problems in a DCPS high school is unbelievable. I now think you’re trolling.