Tell me about redshirting your late summer/fall birthday son before Kindergarten

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

Of course they are. Every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

Of course they are. Every day.

That was the point. Someone said redshirting is personal implying it only affects their child, which is of course not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

Another ignorant with a subpar education. Mine took the Vineland and his adaptive behavior score was 8 instead of 50.

Yes, because that’s what the rest of redshirters are doing.

You are ignorant with a subpar education to assume that.

Are you posting from the fields of Iowa? In DC area, everyone who sends their kids to private or a top public school tests for everything. All private schools require testing.

The testing does not quantify “emotional maturity.” You’ve got some posters on here stating this as a “valid” reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

If parents are holding their kids back a year or two and then the expectation is younger kids are less mature because they are comparing younger kids to much older kids it absolutely impacts others. Your immature child needs help, not held back. You need help to understand young kids should not be mature.

Incorrect. There's no "help" available to make a kid mature faster. Young kids should be at the maturity age of their peers, so yes, there are standards.

You cannot quantify that. It’s a standard, go to nonsense in desperation for an excuse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah ha, now it comes out. Anti-red shirters aren’t in the least concerned with what’s best for the redshirted kids. They’re concerned about their non-summer kids who are no longer looking good next to the summer birthday kids. They’re just afraid of the stiffening of the (gag) “competition”. Because they want their non-summer birthday kids to be able to win kindergarten.

This post was about what is best for late summer or fall birthday kids, and I think you have your answer, OP.

In all fairness, though, the individual child and especially the environment matters a lot. Find out what is common in the particular school your child will be attending, and start from there. And completely ignore all these public school parents who are going nuts, because their insecurities have absolutely nothing to do with your son’s education. And they assuredly don’t have his best interest at heart.

Of course that’s true. They think redshirted kids are getting a leg up so they invent tales about stigma, or special needs, but the obvious truth is that they feel threatened.

Similarly to you invented tales of emotional immaturity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ah ha, now it comes out. Anti-red shirters aren’t in the least concerned with what’s best for the redshirted kids. They’re concerned about their non-summer kids who are no longer looking good next to the summer birthday kids. They’re just afraid of the stiffening of the (gag) “competition”. Because they want their non-summer birthday kids to be able to win kindergarten.

This post was about what is best for late summer or fall birthday kids, and I think you have your answer, OP.

In all fairness, though, the individual child and especially the environment matters a lot. Find out what is common in the particular school your child will be attending, and start from there. And completely ignore all these public school parents who are going nuts, because their insecurities have absolutely nothing to do with your son’s education. And they assuredly don’t have his best interest at heart.

And you aren’t the least bit concerned about children who have summer birthdays. You only talk about hypothetical nonsense about those who have non summer birthdays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

Another ignorant with a subpar education. Mine took the Vineland and his adaptive behavior score was 8 instead of 50.

Yes, because that’s what the rest of redshirters are doing.

You are ignorant with a subpar education to assume that.

Are you posting from the fields of Iowa? In DC area, everyone who sends their kids to private or a top public school tests for everything. All private schools require testing.

The testing does not quantify “emotional maturity.” You’ve got some posters on here stating this as a “valid” reason.

Wrong. It does.

"The Vineland-3 is a standardized measure of adaptive behavior--the things that people do to function in their
everyday lives. Whereas ability measures focus on what the examinee can do in a testing situation, the
Vineland-3 focuses on what he or she actually does in daily life. Because it is a norm-based instrument, the
examinee's adaptive functioning is compared to that of others his or her age.
The individual was evaluated using the Vineland-3 Domain-Level Interview Form on 12/02/2020.
The individual's overall level of adaptive functioning is described by his score on the Adaptive Behavior
Composite (ABC). His ABC score is 78, which is well below the normative mean of 100 (the normative standard
deviation is 15). The percentile rank for this overall score is 7.
The ABC score is based on scores for three specific adaptive behavior domains: Communication, Daily Living
Skills, and Socialization. The domain scores are also expressed as standard scores with a mean of 100 and
standard deviation of 15.
The Communication domain measures how well the individual listens and understands, expresses himself
through speech, and reads and writes. His Communication standard score is 76. This corresponds to a percentile
rank of 5.
The Daily Living Skills domain assesses the individual's performance of the practical, everyday tasks of living that
are appropriate for his age. His standard score for Daily Living Skills is 80, which corresponds to a percentile rank
of 9.
The individual's score for the Socialization domain reflects his functioning in social situations. His Socialization
standard score is 84. The percentile rank is 14."

This is from a study

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

Of course they are. Every day.

That was the point. Someone said redshirting is personal implying it only affects their child, which is of course not true.

Having a kid in the class who is not ready from a social and emotional standpoint negatively affects other students, too.

All we can do is make the choices that we think will help our children learn best. And other parents have to do the same. A few posters have tried to frame redshirting as “cheating” or “not following the rules”, which is bizarre because in a private school setting it is not only explicitly allowed, it is strongly encouraged in many cases.

If you feel strongly that having redshirted kids in your class negatively affects your child, then choose a school that does not allow or encourage redshirting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

If parents are holding their kids back a year or two and then the expectation is younger kids are less mature because they are comparing younger kids to much older kids it absolutely impacts others. Your immature child needs help, not held back. You need help to understand young kids should not be mature.

Incorrect. There's no "help" available to make a kid mature faster. Young kids should be at the maturity age of their peers, so yes, there are standards.

You cannot quantify that. It’s a standard, go to nonsense in desperation for an excuse.

Of course you do, but you have to be able to finish HS and read research papers. Maybe you cannot quantify it, others with more brains can. I don't need an excuse. For us, spending an extra 25K was NBD and I wanted it. Sorry you couldn't afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

If parents are holding their kids back a year or two and then the expectation is younger kids are less mature because they are comparing younger kids to much older kids it absolutely impacts others. Your immature child needs help, not held back. You need help to understand young kids should not be mature.

Incorrect. There's no "help" available to make a kid mature faster. Young kids should be at the maturity age of their peers, so yes, there are standards.

You cannot quantify that. It’s a standard, go to nonsense in desperation for an excuse.

Of course you do, but you have to be able to finish HS and read research papers. Maybe you cannot quantify it, others with more brains can. I don't need an excuse. For us, spending an extra 25K was NBD and I wanted it. Sorry you couldn't afford it.

NP. Lamest, most defensive post for an incredibly insecure poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

If parents are holding their kids back a year or two and then the expectation is younger kids are less mature because they are comparing younger kids to much older kids it absolutely impacts others. Your immature child needs help, not held back. You need help to understand young kids should not be mature.

Incorrect. There's no "help" available to make a kid mature faster. Young kids should be at the maturity age of their peers, so yes, there are standards.

You cannot quantify that. It’s a standard, go to nonsense in desperation for an excuse.

Of course you do, but you have to be able to finish HS and read research papers. Maybe you cannot quantify it, others with more brains can. I don't need an excuse. For us, spending an extra 25K was NBD and I wanted it. Sorry you couldn't afford it.

Yes, because parents are spending 25K to have their 5 year old evaluated for “emotional maturity.”
Go back to your box of rocks. Sorry you are stupid to spend 25k, which we all know you didn’t in your desperate attempt to level yourself up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

And? Parents with the option to redshirt don’t need to justify their choices - not to the school and not on this board.

This is about people’s personal experiences having chosen to redshirt, and whether they think it worked out for the best.

Personal choices are not brought into a classroom that affects others.

Of course they are. Every day.

That was the point. Someone said redshirting is personal implying it only affects their child, which is of course not true.

Having a kid in the class who is not ready from a social and emotional standpoint negatively affects other students, too.

All we can do is make the choices that we think will help our children learn best. And other parents have to do the same. A few posters have tried to frame redshirting as “cheating” or “not following the rules”, which is bizarre because in a private school setting it is not only explicitly allowed, it is strongly encouraged in many cases.

If you feel strongly that having redshirted kids in your class negatively affects your child, then choose a school that does not allow or encourage redshirting.

If you feel strongly that your child needs to be redshirted, then get him appropriate help.

[Anonymous]

For those of you who are adamantly against redshirting because it's somehow detrimental to your non-redshirted child:

The DC area has a higher than average proportion of internationally adopted children, many of whom started school late due to their life circumstances. (One is my daughter.) Is it detrimental to your children to have my daughter in your class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone and everyone can say their child is emotionally delayed or maturing slower.

Another ignorant with a subpar education. Mine took the Vineland and his adaptive behavior score was 8 instead of 50.

Yes, because that’s what the rest of redshirters are doing.

You are ignorant with a subpar education to assume that.

Are you posting from the fields of Iowa? In DC area, everyone who sends their kids to private or a top public school tests for everything. All private schools require testing.

The testing does not quantify “emotional maturity.” You’ve got some posters on here stating this as a “valid” reason.

Wrong. It does.

"The Vineland-3 is a standardized measure of adaptive behavior--the things that people do to function in their
everyday lives. Whereas ability measures focus on what the examinee can do in a testing situation, the
Vineland-3 focuses on what he or she actually does in daily life. Because it is a norm-based instrument, the
examinee's adaptive functioning is compared to that of others his or her age.
The individual was evaluated using the Vineland-3 Domain-Level Interview Form on 12/02/2020.
The individual's overall level of adaptive functioning is described by his score on the Adaptive Behavior
Composite (ABC). His ABC score is 78, which is well below the normative mean of 100 (the normative standard
deviation is 15). The percentile rank for this overall score is 7.
The ABC score is based on scores for three specific adaptive behavior domains: Communication, Daily Living
Skills, and Socialization. The domain scores are also expressed as standard scores with a mean of 100 and
standard deviation of 15.
The Communication domain measures how well the individual listens and understands, expresses himself
through speech, and reads and writes. His Communication standard score is 76. This corresponds to a percentile
rank of 5.
The Daily Living Skills domain assesses the individual's performance of the practical, everyday tasks of living that
are appropriate for his age. His standard score for Daily Living Skills is 80, which corresponds to a percentile rank
of 9.
The individual's score for the Socialization domain reflects his functioning in social situations. His Socialization
standard score is 84. The percentile rank is 14."

This is from a study

How desperate are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who are adamantly against redshirting because it's somehow detrimental to your non-redshirted child:

The DC area has a higher than average proportion of internationally adopted children, many of whom started school late due to their life circumstances. (One is my daughter.) Is it detrimental to your children to have my daughter in your class?

Your one off anecdotal story is a stretch.