NJ to teach gender lessons

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

I wish all the people ranting about this, including my co-teacher, would actually take time to read your post. The sample lessons they're so upset about are those provided by one outside organization, and are not the standards the state has set. One district looked at the resources provided by that organization, but did not adopt that curriculum (perhaps they will, perhaps they won't).

And just to be fully transparent, you've listed the "core ideas," - the health performance expectations for K-2 do include "List medically accurate names for body parts, including the genitals" and "2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior." The 3-5 and 6-8 standards do include more sex education, with the idea that by the time puberty and adolescence hit, kids should be aware of how their bodies function, rather than waiting until they're sexually active to teach them about safe practices.

So let's stop pretending that NJ is trying to confuse children and turn them "trans. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was like catching the cooties - at least the right wing is no longer claiming that gay marriage makes kids gay. The sex education ones are simply preparing kids to understand how their own bodies work (Not quite sure why "penis" is more objectionable than 'pee-pee') and the gender identity ones are about accepting diversity in general.

-another NJ educator

Why do you believe these are appropriate for grades K-2? Why should there be a focus on "gender" or "gender stereotypes" at this grade level?

Does the word "penis" instead of "pee-pee" sexualize kids somehow? It's a word - schools teach vocabulary. Regarding gender stereotypes - why is it wrong to teach kids that girls and boys can both be police officers? That boys can be can play with dolls if they want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

I wish all the people ranting about this, including my co-teacher, would actually take time to read your post. The sample lessons they're so upset about are those provided by one outside organization, and are not the standards the state has set. One district looked at the resources provided by that organization, but did not adopt that curriculum (perhaps they will, perhaps they won't).

And just to be fully transparent, you've listed the "core ideas," - the health performance expectations for K-2 do include "List medically accurate names for body parts, including the genitals" and "2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior." The 3-5 and 6-8 standards do include more sex education, with the idea that by the time puberty and adolescence hit, kids should be aware of how their bodies function, rather than waiting until they're sexually active to teach them about safe practices.

So let's stop pretending that NJ is trying to confuse children and turn them "trans. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was like catching the cooties - at least the right wing is no longer claiming that gay marriage makes kids gay. The sex education ones are simply preparing kids to understand how their own bodies work (Not quite sure why "penis" is more objectionable than 'pee-pee') and the gender identity ones are about accepting diversity in general.

-another NJ educator

Why do you believe these are appropriate for grades K-2? Why should there be a focus on "gender" or "gender stereotypes" at this grade level?

Does the word "penis" instead of "pee-pee" sexualize kids somehow? It's a word - schools teach vocabulary. Regarding gender stereotypes - why is it wrong to teach kids that girls and boys can both be police officers? That boys can be can play with dolls if they want?

This isn’t the 1950s. Kids know that men and women are police officers. Heck, I had to break it to my daughter that boys could grow up to be doctors too. She has only seen female pediatricians and insisted only women were doctors. They don’t need these lessons that only serve to reinforce gender stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

I wish all the people ranting about this, including my co-teacher, would actually take time to read your post. The sample lessons they're so upset about are those provided by one outside organization, and are not the standards the state has set. One district looked at the resources provided by that organization, but did not adopt that curriculum (perhaps they will, perhaps they won't).

And just to be fully transparent, you've listed the "core ideas," - the health performance expectations for K-2 do include "List medically accurate names for body parts, including the genitals" and "2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior." The 3-5 and 6-8 standards do include more sex education, with the idea that by the time puberty and adolescence hit, kids should be aware of how their bodies function, rather than waiting until they're sexually active to teach them about safe practices.

So let's stop pretending that NJ is trying to confuse children and turn them "trans. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was like catching the cooties - at least the right wing is no longer claiming that gay marriage makes kids gay. The sex education ones are simply preparing kids to understand how their own bodies work (Not quite sure why "penis" is more objectionable than 'pee-pee') and the gender identity ones are about accepting diversity in general.

-another NJ educator

Why do you believe these are appropriate for grades K-2? Why should there be a focus on "gender" or "gender stereotypes" at this grade level?

Does the word "penis" instead of "pee-pee" sexualize kids somehow? It's a word - schools teach vocabulary. Regarding gender stereotypes - why is it wrong to teach kids that girls and boys can both be police officers? That boys can be can play with dolls if they want?

WHY is it necessary to spend time *teaching* these things? Why do we expect teachers in K-2 to teach medically accurate names for genitals - some of which are not even visible to children? And, more importantly, HOW are these medical terms taught? Do teachers use graphics?
As far as gender roles..... there is really no need to teach concepts like women can be police officers. The best way for kids to learn that is for them to meet an actual female police officer or fire fighter or Army soldier or scientist or any occupation. Just like kids can meet men who are actual nurses or teachers or ballerinas or any other occupation.
And, why is it necessary for a K-2 teacher to *teach* what toys can be played with by anyone of either gender? Isn't this something that should be dealt with at home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

I wish all the people ranting about this, including my co-teacher, would actually take time to read your post. The sample lessons they're so upset about are those provided by one outside organization, and are not the standards the state has set. One district looked at the resources provided by that organization, but did not adopt that curriculum (perhaps they will, perhaps they won't).

And just to be fully transparent, you've listed the "core ideas," - the health performance expectations for K-2 do include "List medically accurate names for body parts, including the genitals" and "2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior." The 3-5 and 6-8 standards do include more sex education, with the idea that by the time puberty and adolescence hit, kids should be aware of how their bodies function, rather than waiting until they're sexually active to teach them about safe practices.

So let's stop pretending that NJ is trying to confuse children and turn them "trans. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was like catching the cooties - at least the right wing is no longer claiming that gay marriage makes kids gay. The sex education ones are simply preparing kids to understand how their own bodies work (Not quite sure why "penis" is more objectionable than 'pee-pee') and the gender identity ones are about accepting diversity in general.

-another NJ educator

Why do you believe these are appropriate for grades K-2? Why should there be a focus on "gender" or "gender stereotypes" at this grade level?

Does the word "penis" instead of "pee-pee" sexualize kids somehow? It's a word - schools teach vocabulary. Regarding gender stereotypes - why is it wrong to teach kids that girls and boys can both be police officers? That boys can be can play with dolls if they want?

This isn’t the 1950s. Kids know that men and women are police officers. Heck, I had to break it to my daughter that boys could grow up to be doctors too. She has only seen female pediatricians and insisted only women were doctors. They don’t need these lessons that only serve to reinforce gender stereotypes.

+ a million!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

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“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

.
“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

Just stop.
We can teach children to be welcoming and inclusive without pushing gender ideology on them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

.
“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

You sound like the hateful one here. Typical leftist identify politics that if you don't whole heartedly agree with, embrace and accept, name calling, bigoted, racist, etc., ensues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

.
“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

Just stop.
We can teach children to be welcoming and inclusive without pushing gender ideology on them.

+100 Focus on kindness and not bullying others. Inappropriate to be teach things like "you might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts." These are young kids who should be focusing on reading and learning basic math skills not gender ideology. It's strange how there is so much focus and emphasis on gender when the transgender population is miniscule.

[Anonymous]

reviewing this from the OP's post:

This is what someone else said is a linked outside teaching guide that has not yet been adopted, but is offered as a teaching tool:

for 2nd grade:

"Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts.

"And you might not feel like you’re a boy or a girl, but you’re a little bit of both. No matter how you feel, you’re perfectly normal!"

While we all want each and every kid who may be transgender to feel safe and supported, I think what the gripe is about is that while ALL kids go through puberty , the transition period of which lasts 4-6 years and starts for some as young as age 8 and for others as late as age 15 it is very, very rare that a person is born with external reproductive organs of one gender and the endocrine balance of the opposite gender.

What most often happens is that in the first trimester of embryo development the embryonic gonads either descend to become testicles and a penis or remain retracted and form into ovaries ( otherwise testicles) and the clitoris ( otherwise becomes the penis )

Just as the Human Heart starts out with 8 main vascular branches in its embryonic development, but by 8 weeks has dropped all but the 2 main we are born with ( Vena Cava & Aorta ) UNLESS that process is incomplete in which case when you are born you will need a pediatric CV surgeon.

Human embryonic development sometimes- rarely- but some times produces a person who's gonads descended to form testicles but who's gender ID is female

VERY , Very rare.... but that is the basis of how we have sisters, brothers, neighbors or adult co-workers who are entitled to ALL of US being simply educated as to the biology of this and STOP IT with the religiosity, the moralizing and the ridiculous judgement of these people

You wouldn't suggest similarly that someone who has a 6th digit is " a sinner " or that two twins born conjoined because they didn't fully separate as a zygote between days 3-8 after conception that they are " part of the liberal left conspiracy " OR , as happened throughout human history until very recently - put them in a circus and charge admission to gawk at them

Similarly, the biology of Trans is just that- biological fact. Rare expression. Very rare actually , but no its not made up... just ask any pediatric endocrinologist

However, just as you cannot teach calculous to 2nd graders before they comprehend number sense, if the GOAL is for everyone to be accepted, educated about differences then perhaps START with those concepts.

It is just very confusing to teach ALL KDG and ALL 1st graders that " well, most times a boy has a penis, but sometimes a person has a penis and they are really feeling more like a girl" Honestly, that is actually so rare and the level of abstract knowledge required to understand what the F you are talking about is just not there in KDG or 1st grade
when the instance of actually having a trans kid in the class is about 0.4 % of the human population.

So, there might be 1 kid in a school of 450 who will begin to experience gender transforia at around age 7.

Why not support these young people more thoroughly by educating their parents, by making sure that all kids in America see a pediatrician every year - nationalized health care- and make sure that gender identification is discussed with every child by their pediatrician who , by virtue of their medical degree actually has an understanding of the endocrinological basis for being trans AND the medical auth to exmaine a child and educate/ support their parents

Not the 1st grade teacher .

The 1st grade teacher can teach the basic rules of respecting others, privacy, how to be a good friend, personal boundaries and yes, these kids worlds reflect men/ women in many different social roles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

.
“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

Just stop.
We can teach children to be welcoming and inclusive without pushing gender ideology on them.

+100 Focus on kindness and not bullying others. Inappropriate to be teach things like "you might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts." These are young kids who should be focusing on reading and learning basic math skills not gender ideology. It's strange how there is so much focus and emphasis on gender when the transgender population is miniscule.

+1. It’s too much. Parents don’t want their kids to be part of a large experiment that could indeed hurt them (if you don’t believe me, look up the number of trans teens that attempt suicide). At six they are just too young. They should be teaching kindness towards everyone, and go farther if there is a trans kid in the classroom who needs/ deserves to be supported. But for those of you who think this is just about parents objecting to body part names or lessons on kindness, I think you haven’t seen what’s actually happening in classrooms. It very much seems like indoctrination- weeks of daily discussion and reading of books about gender. And, parents have no say if their five-year-old decides to use different names or pronouns at school (note that children this young do not yet know what pronouns are apart from this). We are a very progressive family and are considering pulling our kids out of public school. Our older child has taken the line of “if I like sports and don’t like pink then I guess I can’t be a girl” and we’ve literally seen her personality change almost overnight (exhibiting signs of depression). Again, this is all brand new. A large scale experiment on young kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

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“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

You sound like the hateful one here. Typical leftist identify politics that if you don't whole heartedly agree with, embrace and accept, name calling, bigoted, racist, etc., ensues.

If you see “identity politics” or “gender ideology” when you read the bolded above then you are the problem.

Why are you so afraid to treat others with kindness?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

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“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

Astroturfing. Rile up the rubes on the latest culture war topic while they smile and pick their pockets.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

Thank you, NJ Educator. But the folks upthread believe that respectful discourse and valuing individuals regardless of their gender or gender expression is “liberal indoctrination”. Treating others as you would want yourself to be treated is not a lesson they learned at their Sunday schools.

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“Liberal indoctrination” **is** teaching kids to be respectful and value others. The golden rule.

That’s why the Rs and trans-haters are so against “indoctrination”. Their kids would realize they are crap people.

NP. You’re really not getting that the tide has turned against you. This isn’t 2019, when you could bump your gums about trans ideology and everyone was too disorganized and scared for their jobs to talk back to you. The opposition is organized now and state by state, your ideology is getting handled with targeted bills. People are also voting in politicians who will further clean up the mess that trans ideology is. Your movement is over.

So threatened by kindness and respect.

Do your kids know you’re a POS?

DP. Who, exactly, is "threatened by kindness and respect"? This thread is about teaching very young children about gender topics - something they simply don't need to know about at that age. Teaching children to be kind and respect one another is not AT ALL what is at issue here. Nice strawman.

Republicans and anti-trans bigots.

They don’t want their kids to learn:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual

Because then they will know their parents are bigoted a-holes.

You sound like the hateful one here. Typical leftist identify politics that if you don't whole heartedly agree with, embrace and accept, name calling, bigoted, racist, etc., ensues.

If you see “identity politics” or “gender ideology” when you read the bolded above then you are the problem.

Why are you so afraid to treat others with kindness?

Oh please, treating people with kindness is not the issue here. No one is against that, and you know it. Stop calling others haters because they DO want kindness to others as the main focus and NOT teaching very young children about issues beyond their ability to comprehend all of what they entail. Why do there have to be qualifiers on treating everyone with kindness (regardless of their gender, gender expression, blah blah blah)? Treat EVERYONE with kindness pretty much covers it. Redefining that in specific groups is the definition of identity politics.

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Anonymous wrote:DC based democrat here. Seems like many of you don’t have kids, or maybe your kids are younger or much older. This is very much being taught in DCPS, including to 6 year olds. It’s been a mess. In my observation it a) confuses many of the kids and b) very much reinforces gender stereotypes by putting them front and center. These kids are way too young to understand a complex topic. I don’t understand why Dems want to alienate their base. If the republicans ever manage to become less psycho I’m gone.

I mean we are definitely less psycho. We aren’t behind this garbage. We aren’t. There is a point where whatever perception you have about republicans and democrats needs to be stood up next to what the two parties are actually standing for and promoting today. Right now, the most sensible party is the republicans. We are not teaching a fringe belief system to 6 year olds. We aren’t opening the borders completely without regard to the impact on school systems and social service and the fentanyl issue. We aren’t obstinately refusing to use American natural resources that support American jobs and tax payers while turning to Venezuela and Iran for oil. It is time for you to get a gut check. We also aren’t anti gay or racists. We aren’t anti police. We aren’t anti-immigrant. We just believe the immigration laws on the books should be enforced. We are not the fringe crazies anymore. That is the democrats.

PP here. Talk to me when you’re ready to recognize climate change as both a very real problem and an enormous economic opportunity. That (and abortion) remain sticking points for me.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a NJ educator and I can tell you that the exact 'Social and Sexual Health' standards for grades K-2 are:

* Every individual has unique skills and qualities, which can include the activities they enjoy such as how they may dress, their mannerisms, things they like to do.
* Families shape the way we think about our bodies, our health and our behaviors.
* People have relationships with others in the local community and beyond.
* Communication is the basis for strengthening relationships and resolving conflict between people.
* Conflicts between people occur, and there are effective ways to resolve them.

What was shared in the original post of this thread is a 'sample lesson' - that is a click to an outside source - that nobody is forced to use. Our individual boards of education approve curriculum and individual schools or principals would approve lessons. Because we are big believers in local rule, the values of the community at large are usually well-represented.

Standards for grades 3-5 are:
* All individuals should feel welcome and included regardless of their gender, gender expression, or sexual orientation.
* Family members impact the development of their children physically, socially, and emotionally.
* People in healthy relationships share thoughts and feelings, as well as mutual respect.

The underlying theme is respectful functioning in society. That is not the same as 'leftist brainwashing indoctrination' into any kind of lifestyle.

I wish all the people ranting about this, including my co-teacher, would actually take time to read your post. The sample lessons they're so upset about are those provided by one outside organization, and are not the standards the state has set. One district looked at the resources provided by that organization, but did not adopt that curriculum (perhaps they will, perhaps they won't).

And just to be fully transparent, you've listed the "core ideas," - the health performance expectations for K-2 do include "List medically accurate names for body parts, including the genitals" and "2.1.2.SSH.2: Discuss the range of ways people express their gender and how gender role stereotypes may limit behavior." The 3-5 and 6-8 standards do include more sex education, with the idea that by the time puberty and adolescence hit, kids should be aware of how their bodies function, rather than waiting until they're sexually active to teach them about safe practices.

So let's stop pretending that NJ is trying to confuse children and turn them "trans. Personally, I wasn't aware that it was like catching the cooties - at least the right wing is no longer claiming that gay marriage makes kids gay. The sex education ones are simply preparing kids to understand how their own bodies work (Not quite sure why "penis" is more objectionable than 'pee-pee') and the gender identity ones are about accepting diversity in general.

-another NJ educator

I think the real issue is that people don't want their children to become confused about gender, leading to potentially catastrophic outcomes. In 2011, the Karolinksa Institute released the results of its study on people who underwent sex reassignment surgery, and the results were that they are 19 times more likely to kill themselves. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21364939/

Encouraging children to see any gender nonconforming traits as evidence they are not their natural sex can lead them to decide that they are transgender. And, gender dysphoria is still believed to be a mental illness despite the rebranding of "transgender identity." We still don't have evidence that people with vaginas can actually be male, and the best science that we have indicates that people generally are the gender that their body indicates that they are. This isn't to say that there are not intersex people, but it is to say that declaring something both at reality and a mental illness at the same time is alarming to people, especially when there is s focused effort to teach children that transgenderism is a real, natural phenomenon when the best science says it isn't.

Given that outcomes for the people who pursue this are generally awful- high risk for suicide, inability to experience orgasm, and quite often deep regret-- you really can't blame parents for balking. And you also can't claim that they are putting children at risk when the best science says that YOU are putting children at risk.

All this said, if the parents of NJ want this, go for it. I sincerely hope it works out for you. But please stop criticizing red states for outlawing it.