Which universities have gone DOWN in stature over the years?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the Dartmouth booster. Dartmouth and it’s alums and marketing material all make it a point to emphasize how similar they are to an LAC.

I am the guy you are referring to as "the Dartmouth booster". I have no affiliation and have visited exactly once. I am not a Dartmouth "booster" in any way.

I am a "facts" booster, and an "easily googled defeater of BS" booster. And I don't care what Dartmouth alumns say. Yes I know they still brand themselves Dartmouth College and tout that they are the smallest of the Ivies with 6,300 undergrads. But they also have 2100 grad students, which is only a few hundred fewer than Princeton (2500 PhD, 333 masters). Plus there is that whole Carnegie classification R1 thing, and the $326 million in funding. lol.... These are FACTS.

In a forum like this FACTS MATTER, because some families may read things here and may make decisions based on it. As an open forum, your opinions, even grossly uninformed ones, are welcome, but so are the responses wchich demonstrate how they are factually inaccurate.

Do you "get it" now?

Has Dartmouth lost its accreditation as a four-year institution? What are your thoughts on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the Dartmouth booster. Dartmouth and it’s alums and marketing material all make it a point to emphasize how similar they are to an LAC.

I am the guy you are referring to as "the Dartmouth booster". I have no affiliation and have visited exactly once. I am not a Dartmouth "booster" in any way.

I am a "facts" booster, and an "easily googled defeater of BS" booster. And I don't care what Dartmouth alumns say. Yes I know they still brand themselves Dartmouth College and tout that they are the smallest of the Ivies with 6,300 undergrads. But they also have 2100 grad students, which is only a few hundred fewer than Princeton (2500 PhD, 333 masters). Plus there is that whole Carnegie classification R1 thing, and the $326 million in funding. lol.... These are FACTS.

In a forum like this FACTS MATTER, because some families may read things here and may make decisions based on it. As an open forum, your opinions, even grossly uninformed ones, are welcome, but so are the responses wchich demonstrate how they are factually inaccurate.

Do you "get it" now?

Has Dartmouth lost its accreditation as a four-year institution? What are your thoughts on this?

What? Its most recent accreditation just occurred in 2020 and won’t come up for review again until 2029.

[Anonymous]

I love it that Dartmouth is smaller than the other Ivys, it's a perfect size to focus on the undergraduate education and experience. Larger universities are more focused on research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the Dartmouth booster. Dartmouth and it’s alums and marketing material all make it a point to emphasize how similar they are to an LAC.

I am the guy you are referring to as "the Dartmouth booster". I have no affiliation and have visited exactly once. I am not a Dartmouth "booster" in any way.

I am a "facts" booster, and an "easily googled defeater of BS" booster. And I don't care what Dartmouth alumns say. Yes I know they still brand themselves Dartmouth College and tout that they are the smallest of the Ivies with 6,300 undergrads. But they also have 2100 grad students, which is only a few hundred fewer than Princeton (2500 PhD, 333 masters). Plus there is that whole Carnegie classification R1 thing, and the $326 million in funding. lol.... These are FACTS.

In a forum like this FACTS MATTER, because some families may read things here and may make decisions based on it. As an open forum, your opinions, even grossly uninformed ones, are welcome, but so are the responses wchich demonstrate how they are factually inaccurate.

Do you "get it" now?

Has Dartmouth lost its accreditation as a four-year institution? What are your thoughts on this?

What? Its most recent accreditation just occurred in 2020 and won’t come up for review again until 2029.

Well I have been looking for any news stories stating that "Dartmouth has not lost its accreditation as a four-year institution" and they do not seem to exist. So what exactly do you make of that?

[Anonymous]

Dartmouth's regular decision admit rate was less than 4.7% (overall 6% with ED) so you can debate all you want about still very unlikely for any student to get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the Dartmouth booster. Dartmouth and it’s alums and marketing material all make it a point to emphasize how similar they are to an LAC.

I am the guy you are referring to as "the Dartmouth booster". I have no affiliation and have visited exactly once. I am not a Dartmouth "booster" in any way.

I am a "facts" booster, and an "easily googled defeater of BS" booster. And I don't care what Dartmouth alumns say. Yes I know they still brand themselves Dartmouth College and tout that they are the smallest of the Ivies with 6,300 undergrads. But they also have 2100 grad students, which is only a few hundred fewer than Princeton (2500 PhD, 333 masters). Plus there is that whole Carnegie classification R1 thing, and the $326 million in funding. lol.... These are FACTS.

In a forum like this FACTS MATTER, because some families may read things here and may make decisions based on it. As an open forum, your opinions, even grossly uninformed ones, are welcome, but so are the responses wchich demonstrate how they are factually inaccurate.

Do you "get it" now?

Has Dartmouth lost its accreditation as a four-year institution? What are your thoughts on this?

What? Its most recent accreditation just occurred in 2020 and won’t come up for review again until 2029.

Well I have been looking for any news stories stating that "Dartmouth has not lost its accreditation as a four-year institution" and they do not seem to exist. So what exactly do you make of that?

This is nonsensical. Why would there be a news story stating it hasn’t lost its accreditation? Why would its accreditation be at question? Google “is Dartmouth accredited” and you will find that yes it is and was recently accredited in 2020. Accreditation only comes up for review every 10 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK so the fact that Dartmouth falls in and out of the R1 group every couple years sort of supports the idea that it's "middling" when it comes to research.

No, it's just that it's more like a LAC than a research university. It only has a handful of grad programs. It's an unusual school--because it has a couple of PhD programs it gets classified as a research university rather than an LAC in the Carnegie system.

Yeah, Those idiots at the Carnegie system. Good thing you know more than them, and all their data and criteria!

No, it's just that there are very few colleges like that--William and Mary would be a public example--and so they are "weird" when they are in the system--they fall on the line of the two categories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the Dartmouth booster. Dartmouth and it’s alums and marketing material all make it a point to emphasize how similar they are to an LAC.

I am the guy you are referring to as "the Dartmouth booster". I have no affiliation and have visited exactly once. I am not a Dartmouth "booster" in any way.

I am a "facts" booster, and an "easily googled defeater of BS" booster. And I don't care what Dartmouth alumns say. Yes I know they still brand themselves Dartmouth College and tout that they are the smallest of the Ivies with 6,300 undergrads. But they also have 2100 grad students, which is only a few hundred fewer than Princeton (2500 PhD, 333 masters). Plus there is that whole Carnegie classification R1 thing, and the $326 million in funding. lol.... These are FACTS.

In a forum like this FACTS MATTER, because some families may read things here and may make decisions based on it. As an open forum, your opinions, even grossly uninformed ones, are welcome, but so are the responses wchich demonstrate how they are factually inaccurate.

Do you "get it" now?

Has Dartmouth lost its accreditation as a four-year institution? What are your thoughts on this?

What? Its most recent accreditation just occurred in 2020 and won’t come up for review again until 2029.

Well I have been looking for any news stories stating that "Dartmouth has not lost its accreditation as a four-year institution" and they do not seem to exist. So what exactly do you make of that?

"Harvard has not lost its accreditation as a four-year institution" yields zero results. I guess it's time to panic.

[Anonymous]

The point is that Dartmouth absolutely is “middling” when it comes to research in comparison to its peer institutions. That’s not a controversial or unpopular or inaccurate statement whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is that Dartmouth absolutely is “middling” when it comes to research in comparison to its peer institutions. That’s not a controversial or unpopular or inaccurate statement whatsoever.

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Dartmouth is in no way middling as an undergraduate institution. That goes without saying, but if you doubt it, just look at the success of their graduates. Why is this so difficult to understand?

If you want a school that is good at everything (undergraduate study, professional programs, graduate programs, research, athletics, etc.), it will be a pretty small list and would be schools like Michigan. That is fine, but if you then want to assert that Michigan is a better undergraduate school than Princeton, you've got some false logic processes happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is that Dartmouth absolutely is “middling” when it comes to research in comparison to its peer institutions. That’s not a controversial or unpopular or inaccurate statement whatsoever.

Right! And Michael Jordan is of “middling” height next to Yao Ming. Also not controversial, also not unpopular, and also stupid and useless.

/ ps your statement actually is controversial, unpopular, inaccurate, and stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is that Dartmouth absolutely is “middling” when it comes to research in comparison to its peer institutions. That’s not a controversial or unpopular or inaccurate statement whatsoever.

Right! And Michael Jordan is of “middling” height next to Yao Ming. Also not controversial, also not unpopular, and also stupid and useless.

/ ps your statement actually is controversial, unpopular, inaccurate, and stupid.

Oh and forgot to add: YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT PEER INSTITUTIONS IN YOUR FIRST POST! Nor have you named them now… lol weak tea man!

[Anonymous]

“If you want a school that is good at everything (undergraduate study, professional programs, graduate programs, research, athletics, etc.), it will be a pretty small list and would be schools like Michigan.”

Agreed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is that Dartmouth absolutely is “middling” when it comes to research in comparison to its peer institutions. That’s not a controversial or unpopular or inaccurate statement whatsoever.

Right! And Michael Jordan is of “middling” height next to Yao Ming. Also not controversial, also not unpopular, and also stupid and useless.

/ ps your statement actually is controversial, unpopular, inaccurate, and stupid.

Oh and forgot to add: YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT PEER INSTITUTIONS IN YOUR FIRST POST! Nor have you named them now… lol weak tea man!

I'm not the original person you were railing against. Wow. You seem to have some deep-seated issues.

Second, Dartmouth is not good enough in research to be a "Michael Jordan" in any sort of analogy, however poorly conceived.

[Anonymous]

I think w&m. I am pretty sure it was top 25-30 back in my day but not it is too 40 bc Florida, Michigan, Georgia and othe me big state schools have moved up.

I think it is a super special palace that gets overlooked bc it doesn’t fit nearly in any box as a small public university.