Brent vs. Maury vs. Ludlow-Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

There are definitely more than half a dozen Brent families with kids in this year's sixth grade class at Jefferson. I know this, because my family is one of them. (And for what's it's worth, Jefferson also has kids from Van Ness this year, as Van Ness gradated its first fifth-grade class last year.)

I understand your larger point, but please try to make it without hyperbole.

Brent families, yes, in-boundary families, no.

And herein lies the rub… Vanishingly few Brent IB families go to Jefferson. The same is true for Maury/EH. At least 10 LT IB families go to SH each year.

Vanishing isn't wrong. I remember a parent at an open house asking why admins thought fewer Brent graduates were enrolled at Jefferson in 2020 than in 2019, when there were fewer still than in 2018. Admins blamed the enrollment slide on chaos related to major renovations and pandemic school closures. It sounds like there's been an uptick in enrollment from Brent this year, but it's not as though Jefferson has taken off for Brent in recent years. DCI and Stuart Hobson appear to be attracting most of the families who fail to get off the BASIS and Latin wait lists. Yet causes of lagging enrollment don't seem to have been researched by any quarter.

DCI takes the kids from its feeder immersion schools. They might take a handful of kids not in feeders and that handful will be more competitive each year. Most CH families who don’t get into Basis or Latin are not getting into DCI.

In fact, you have a much higher probability of getting into Latin and Basis than DCI.

In theory, but not true this year. We got off the DCI wait list late this past summer with a number we never thought would work in the spring. DCI went deep into wait lists for all three languages this year. No idea if it will happen again though. We didn't get off the BASIS wait list last year or this year.

Yes, in terms of the lottery, BASIS is getting tougher to get into every year.

Latin is hard to to get into but for different reasons, and will be even harder now for non-at-risk.

DCI seems a lot easier to get into.

Interesting - thanks for sharing! Didn’t take a spot a Mundo Verde Im favor of quality of life now, but still might like the DCI option in the future!

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

yeah no, that’s not what happened. clearly you have no actual interest in these schools except as a foil for your own choices. so please just step away.

Again—fall in line or step away. There’s no room for questions.

Nobody seems to have asked any bona fide questions. Just random rumors and claiming the people who say they are satisfied are wrong.

Questions asked and brushed off:
“That is a worthwhile thing to do. Three questions 1) how many Brent to Jefferson to Walls/Banneker students are we talking about? 2) How many non-Brent Jefferson students have moved to Walls/Banneker and can we also talk to them? 3) Why did these Jefferson students not attend Eastern HS which is the feeder High school? “

Talk about moving the goal posts. Now Jefferson is a "bad" school because of Eastern. Ok...

These are not judgements. They are questions. You are turning them into judgements based on some kind of internal alchemy tuned to see offense everywhere

[Anonymous]

Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

As explained before. Historically, many DCPS middle schools don’t even have a course selection that would allow their students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker. The record of Jefferson sending students to these schools would help clarify that. And the question about Eastern is to help clarify what is the common high school path for students from Jefferson since many families are weighing high school options via whatever middle school path they choose. Your own insecurities are showing here.

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Not the poster you're responding to but you need to take a deep breath, PP.

A DC public middle school's track record in sending students on to the two most academic test-in high schools is a strong indicator of academic rigor and other attributes of a high-performing middle school. Some parents won't touch any DC public middle school without a strong record of getting students to Walls and Banneker. Sounds like you're not one of these parents. Bully for you.

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Response to 12:30, not above.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

As explained before. Historically, many DCPS middle schools don’t even have a course selection that would allow their students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker. The record of Jefferson sending students to these schools would help clarify that. And the question about Eastern is to help clarify what is the common high school path for students from Jefferson since many families are weighing high school options via whatever middle school path they choose. Your own insecurities are showing here.

Arguably, not their insecurities, their pragmatism, good planning and common sense.

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It is abundantly clear and publicly acknowledged by DCPS itself and education experts everywhere that middle school is where it has the hardest putting together successful programs. Students come at all different levels of preparation, it can be a tough age of emotional and physical transformation and like it or not, experience in middle school years can set the tone for school success or failure definitively. It’s completely rational and fair to be asking hard questions and examining the schools closely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IME, UMC families bring a strong customer service attitude that affects school culture in negative ways. This is evident at schools across the city, not just CH, but it’s very strong at schools like Brent and Maury.

As individual families we have not done enough to demand that DCPS stop funding their bloated central office in favor of providing resources to schools that really need it—resources like librarians and social workers and buildings that have functioning HVAC. Getting rid of IMPACT which penalizes teachers who work in Title I schools.

I get that it’s hard to see the forest for the trees or what an individual can do to make a difference—especially when you have to make a choice for your kid. But the idea that we bear no responsibility when our choices clearly perpetuate privilege is just wrong.

I’m with you-but Curious what choices you see as perpetuating privilege?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

As explained before. Historically, many DCPS middle schools don’t even have a course selection that would allow their students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker. The record of Jefferson sending students to these schools would help clarify that. And the question about Eastern is to help clarify what is the common high school path for students from Jefferson since many families are weighing high school options via whatever middle school path they choose. Your own insecurities are showing here.

As I previously explained, Jefferson clearly does have a course selection that can allow its students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker, as evidenced by the fact that Jefferson graduates are currently attending both Walls and Banneker. How many? I have no idea. But if your actual question is whether the path is even available, then the answer is a indisputably yes.

I am happy to try to answer any other questions you may have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

yeah no, that’s not what happened. clearly you have no actual interest in these schools except as a foil for your own choices. so please just step away.

Again—fall in line or step away. There’s no room for questions.

Nobody seems to have asked any bona fide questions. Just random rumors and claiming the people who say they are satisfied are wrong.

Questions asked and brushed off:
“That is a worthwhile thing to do. Three questions 1) how many Brent to Jefferson to Walls/Banneker students are we talking about? 2) How many non-Brent Jefferson students have moved to Walls/Banneker and can we also talk to them? 3) Why did these Jefferson students not attend Eastern HS which is the feeder High school? “

Talk about moving the goal posts. Now Jefferson is a "bad" school because of Eastern. Ok...

These are not judgements. They are questions. You are turning them into judgements based on some kind of internal alchemy tuned to see offense everywhere

I'm just amazed. First it was IB students don't go to DCPS MS. Then it was not enough. Now it is but they don't go onto HS.

Many parents of MS students at BASIS send their children to Walls instead of continuing on to BASIS HS. Instead of concern, this decision as often celebrated as "choice" at work. Yet when Jefferson parents do the same thing, they are hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody did this:

“ Dude. You guys are the ones insisting that a parent who wrote here that they are happy at Jefferson must be wrong”

They offered what’s known as an additional perspective. Are you all incapable of rational thought?

This exquisite sensitivity has to end. Lordy.

yeah no, that’s not what happened. clearly you have no actual interest in these schools except as a foil for your own choices. so please just step away.

Again—fall in line or step away. There’s no room for questions.

Nobody seems to have asked any bona fide questions. Just random rumors and claiming the people who say they are satisfied are wrong.

Questions asked and brushed off:
“That is a worthwhile thing to do. Three questions 1) how many Brent to Jefferson to Walls/Banneker students are we talking about? 2) How many non-Brent Jefferson students have moved to Walls/Banneker and can we also talk to them? 3) Why did these Jefferson students not attend Eastern HS which is the feeder High school? “

Talk about moving the goal posts. Now Jefferson is a "bad" school because of Eastern. Ok...

These are not judgements. They are questions. You are turning them into judgements based on some kind of internal alchemy tuned to see offense everywhere

I'm just amazed. First it was IB students don't go to DCPS MS. Then it was not enough. Now it is but they don't go onto HS.

Many parents of MS students at BASIS send their children to Walls instead of continuing on to BASIS HS. Instead of concern, this decision as often celebrated as "choice" at work. Yet when Jefferson parents do the same thing, they are hypocrites.

Twisting and twisting. There is nothing hypocritical about it--except when these same parents spend their time screaming how racist it is to not use neighborhood public schools and THEN three years later head on off to private or application-only high schools. That's where it gets a bit hard to take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

As explained before. Historically, many DCPS middle schools don’t even have a course selection that would allow their students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker. The record of Jefferson sending students to these schools would help clarify that. And the question about Eastern is to help clarify what is the common high school path for students from Jefferson since many families are weighing high school options via whatever middle school path they choose. Your own insecurities are showing here.

As I previously explained, Jefferson clearly does have a course selection that can allow its students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker, as evidenced by the fact that Jefferson graduates are currently attending both Walls and Banneker. How many? I have no idea. But if your actual question is whether the path is even available, then the answer is a indisputably yes.

I am happy to try to answer any other questions you may have.

The number matters because 1 or 2 students being a position to matriculate to an application-only high school can happen because of outside tutoring or supplementing. I've seen it plenty. A larger number suggests that the school itself is preparing those students. I'd ask more questions ( I'm sure lots of people would ) if you'd stop impugning the reason I'm even asking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care why other parents choose to send their kids to Walls/Banneker?

How is that relevant to a discussion about Jefferson? I assume you’re asking because you relish the chance to call people hypocrites for sending their kids to Jefferson but not Eastern. Well, guess what? Not everyone who sends their kids to Jefferson does so in order to make a statement. Some of us just do it because we think it’s a good school. I assume that’s precisely why some parents choose Walls/Banneker for high school.

As explained before. Historically, many DCPS middle schools don’t even have a course selection that would allow their students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker. The record of Jefferson sending students to these schools would help clarify that. And the question about Eastern is to help clarify what is the common high school path for students from Jefferson since many families are weighing high school options via whatever middle school path they choose. Your own insecurities are showing here.

As I previously explained, Jefferson clearly does have a course selection that can allow its students to apply successfully to Walls or Banneker, as evidenced by the fact that Jefferson graduates are currently attending both Walls and Banneker. How many? I have no idea. But if your actual question is whether the path is even available, then the answer is a indisputably yes.

I am happy to try to answer any other questions you may have.

The number matters because 1 or 2 students being a position to matriculate to an application-only high school can happen because of outside tutoring or supplementing. I've seen it plenty. A larger number suggests that the school itself is preparing those students. I'd ask more questions ( I'm sure lots of people would ) if you'd stop impugning the reason I'm even asking.

I don't know the total number students from any particular middle school who are currently attending Walls and Banneker. But I strongly disagree with your view that a larger number suggests that "the school itself is better preparing those students." It could merely be a reflection of the school's economic demographics, including but not limited to the number of students whose families have the financial means to afford "outside tutoring or supplementing."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The half dozen IB Brent families who went on to to Jefferson this year can be thrilled with their choice without that changing the fact that more than 85% of the 4th grade families rejected the program, like they've done for years.

There are definitely more than half a dozen Brent families with kids in this year's sixth grade class at Jefferson. I know this, because my family is one of them. (And for what's it's worth, Jefferson also has kids from Van Ness this year, as Van Ness gradated its first fifth-grade class last year.)

I understand your larger point, but please try to make it without hyperbole.

Brent families, yes, in-boundary families, no.

And herein lies the rub… Vanishingly few Brent IB families go to Jefferson. The same is true for Maury/EH. At least 10 LT IB families go to SH each year.

How did you conclude only 10 children from LT go to SH? I live near SH and see many children in red polos coming out of their homes when I’m out and about that time of the morning. My kids are really young so I have no idea.