Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox reported there were a lot of Muslims on the plane!

No shit, Sherlock.

This is afterall Malaysia.

But the majority of passengers were Chinese who do not tend to be Muslim. Obviously the Uighurs are, but generally?

Oh for fucks sake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can accept that the Immarset data enabled the generation of evidence that confirms what most people already thought occurred in that the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean. That's if one assumes that the unidentified aircraft detected after the MH370 disappeared from radar was in fact MH370. IMO there is no new evidence that allows anyone to confirm anything at this point. I wont' be satisfied until they find the plane. I doubt this gives the families any closure or any satisfaction. Why are the Malaysians so hasty to end this?

I think giving the families false hope is a much worse thing to do. Those fueling stories like "but what if the plane was hijacked someplace remote and are holding the passengers hostage" are lending terrible support to a virtually improbable scenario that has zero credence. Those kinds of stories only serve to tug on the emotions of family members more, with an extremely far-fetched, and baseless story. Almost all intelligence (not just the Malaysians) point to a southern route in the vast Indian Ocean, and then ending there. It's also very possible that the wreckage may not be found for months or years, or never found. At some point, hard as it is, you DO have to find gentle ways to encourage family members to accept that reality. That reality is that the plane is lost in the middle of the deep Indian ocean, and no one is alive. Giving false hope helps no one - especially not friend and family of the deceased.

I personally don't see how the Malaysia PM statement does anything to take fuel away from the speculation and conspiracy theories. IMO it adds fuel to them. Malaysia clearly still doesn't know what happened to MH370 so why are saying they do know? I don't think that Malaysia has the credibility to give hope or take it away from the families. It's a frustrating situation indeed, but this statement changes nothing and serves only to communicate the Malaysian Government's official position on what they believed happened to MH370. It's hubris on their part to think everyone should buy into that without further proof even if that proof never comes. The families don't need the Malaysian Government to tell them how to feel or that it's the right time to give up hope.

[Anonymous]

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It is unlikely they will find the plane. It took them two years to find the Air France plane and they knew where it crashed. And France poured a lot of money into that search.

They need to find it. If something mechanical went wrong, we need to know now. They can find it, it's just a matter of how all this searching is funded. My guess is the US funds most of it.

Um ... the Brits did the analysis that came to this conclusion, the Australians are organizing the search and, along with the Chinese, Koreans and many more are sending the planes/ships, as well as the US ... but I think you're self-inflated to think the US is the only country that can do this stuff.


Inmarsat is a private British company and it's unclear who paid for what.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can accept that the Immarset data enabled the generation of evidence that confirms what most people already thought occurred in that the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean. That's if one assumes that the unidentified aircraft detected after the MH370 disappeared from radar was in fact MH370. IMO there is no new evidence that allows anyone to confirm anything at this point. I wont' be satisfied until they find the plane. I doubt this gives the families any closure or any satisfaction. Why are the Malaysians so hasty to end this?

I think giving the families false hope is a much worse thing to do. Those fueling stories like "but what if the plane was hijacked someplace remote and are holding the passengers hostage" are lending terrible support to a virtually improbable scenario that has zero credence. Those kinds of stories only serve to tug on the emotions of family members more, with an extremely far-fetched, and baseless story. Almost all intelligence (not just the Malaysians) point to a southern route in the vast Indian Ocean, and then ending there. It's also very possible that the wreckage may not be found for months or years, or never found. At some point, hard as it is, you DO have to find gentle ways to encourage family members to accept that reality. That reality is that the plane is lost in the middle of the deep Indian ocean, and no one is alive. Giving false hope helps no one - especially not friend and family of the deceased.

I personally don't see how the Malaysia PM statement does anything to take fuel away from the speculation and conspiracy theories. IMO it adds fuel to them. Malaysia clearly still doesn't know what happened to MH370 so why are saying they do know? I don't think that Malaysia has the credibility to give hope or take it away from the families. It's a frustrating situation indeed, but this statement changes nothing and serves only to communicate the Malaysian Government's official position on what they believed happened to MH370. It's hubris on their part to think everyone should buy into that without further proof even if that proof never comes. The families don't need the Malaysian Government to tell them how to feel or that it's the right time to give up hope.

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know the answer to this:

If something incapacitates the pilots, can the air stewards get into the cockpit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can accept that the Immarset data enabled the generation of evidence that confirms what most people already thought occurred in that the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean. That's if one assumes that the unidentified aircraft detected after the MH370 disappeared from radar was in fact MH370. IMO there is no new evidence that allows anyone to confirm anything at this point. I wont' be satisfied until they find the plane. I doubt this gives the families any closure or any satisfaction. Why are the Malaysians so hasty to end this?

I think giving the families false hope is a much worse thing to do. Those fueling stories like "but what if the plane was hijacked someplace remote and are holding the passengers hostage" are lending terrible support to a virtually improbable scenario that has zero credence. Those kinds of stories only serve to tug on the emotions of family members more, with an extremely far-fetched, and baseless story. Almost all intelligence (not just the Malaysians) point to a southern route in the vast Indian Ocean, and then ending there. It's also very possible that the wreckage may not be found for months or years, or never found. At some point, hard as it is, you DO have to find gentle ways to encourage family members to accept that reality. That reality is that the plane is lost in the middle of the deep Indian ocean, and no one is alive. Giving false hope helps no one - especially not friend and family of the deceased.

I personally don't see how the Malaysia PM statement does anything to take fuel away from the speculation and conspiracy theories. IMO it adds fuel to them. Malaysia clearly still doesn't know what happened to MH370 so why are saying they do know? I don't think that Malaysia has the credibility to give hope or take it away from the families. It's a frustrating situation indeed, but this statement changes nothing and serves only to communicate the Malaysian Government's official position on what they believed happened to MH370. It's hubris on their part to think everyone should buy into that without further proof even if that proof never comes. The families don't need the Malaysian Government to tell them how to feel or that it's the right time to give up hope.

Where is the Malaysian Gov't telling people they don't have the right to have hope? At this point, Malaysia is damned if they do, damned if they don't. They will be blamed for giving false hope, or they will be blamed for telling people their loves ones will not be returning. The plane may never be recovered, or it may take a very very very long time - the MA370 is far from the first plane or airline to lose a plane, and they will, unfortunately, likely never be the last. The extremely likely reality is that the plane was lost in the Indian Ocean. Families can choose or not choose to accept that reality. But having lost loved ones suddenly, I think slowly acknowledging reality is the better path. Of course though, everyone grieves in their own way, and denial is a commonly identified stage of grief for a very good reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the answer to this:

If something incapacitates the pilots, can the air stewards get into the cockpit?

I am not an expert, but I did hear that the only way to get into the cockpit when it is locked is to be let in by someone from the inside. So, no, based on what i have heard over the last couple if weeks, if the pilot and copilot are incapacitated, the passengers cannot get in.

Having said that, I do remember that a flight steward was seen in the cockpit of the Greek 'phantom' airplane where the pilots had lost consciousness. Such a sad story. Once he gained entry (as witnessed by military planes flying beside) one of the engines lost power due to running out of fuel and the plane crashed.

[Anonymous]

Where is the Malaysian Gov't telling people they don't have the right to have hope? At this point, Malaysia is damned if they do, damned if they don't. They will be blamed for giving false hope, or they will be blamed for telling people their loves ones will not be returning. The plane may never be recovered, or it may take a very very very long time - the MA370 is far from the first plane or airline to lose a plane, and they will, unfortunately, likely never be the last. The extremely likely reality is that the plane was lost in the Indian Ocean. Families can choose or not choose to accept that reality. But having lost loved ones suddenly, I think slowly acknowledging reality is the better path. Of course though, everyone grieves in their own way, and denial is a commonly identified stage of grief for a very good reason.

I think it would have been sufficient for the Malaysia government to report on the data from Immarset and to say they are convinced that the plane went down in the Indian Ocean and that there are no survivors. That is the truth and I don't see how they could be criticized for sharing the information in that way. To me, their statement indicates that they may have more information than they are willing to share that gives greater credence to this finding other than simply looking at the data already available in a different light. If that is not the case, I question their motives for this communication at this time. If it was to remove "false hope" of there being any survivors as someone else pointed out, I don't think they succeeded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to the "so what happened????" part of this thread.

Where do you all come out? Accident or malice on the part of the pilot or someone else in the flight?

Seems hard to believe there would be no distress call if it were an accident. On the other hand, who would intentionally fly a plane to the south pole until it ran out of fuel??

I'm still thinking that pilot suicide is the only theory that doesn't really have any facts (that we know of) going against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know the answer to this:

If something incapacitates the pilots, can the air stewards get into the cockpit?

I am not an expert, but I did hear that the only way to get into the cockpit when it is locked is to be let in by someone from the inside. So, no, based on what i have heard over the last couple if weeks, if the pilot and copilot are incapacitated, the passengers cannot get in.

Having said that, I do remember that a flight steward was seen in the cockpit of the Greek 'phantom' airplane where the pilots had lost consciousness. Such a sad story. Once he gained entry (as witnessed by military planes flying beside) one of the engines lost power due to running out of fuel and the plane crashed.

Why did the pilots lose consciousness in the Greek incident?

It seems like a flaw in the system. Surely there's another solution for keeping the cockpit safe, but allowing entry for an emergency? I can only imagine the terror if this happened - knowing someone needs to take control but there's no way in. BTW, I'm only surmising here, but it seems a lot more likely to me than hostage taking or suicide.

[Anonymous]

This story http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ indicates evidence that after MH370 made the sharp turn it dropped altitude to as low as 12000 feet. This would have helped MH370 avoid traffic since other plans would be flying at a much higher altitutde, but it is also at an altitude that would be fairly safe for someone or anyone for that matter to parachute out of the plane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to the "so what happened????" part of this thread.

Where do you all come out? Accident or malice on the part of the pilot or someone else in the flight?

Seems hard to believe there would be no distress call if it were an accident. On the other hand, who would intentionally fly a plane to the south pole until it ran out of fuel??

Someone with a lot of malice.

It was no accident.

I think that unless it was decompression that led to the plane just flying until it was out of fuel, something intentional happened on board. This was an experienced pilot, even if a terrible mechanical problem developed or there was a fire, you'd think he would have tried to stay over land where there was at least a chance of landing somewhere and/or a search and rescue operation. Makes no sense to pilot a plane with a mechanical problem or a fire towards the southern indian ocean because you know there is no where to land there -- it's not like you'd try to make it to Australia when you are over the Asian land mass and could get clearance to land from any number of countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This story http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ indicates evidence that after MH370 made the sharp turn it dropped altitude to as low as 12000 feet. This would have helped MH370 avoid traffic since other plans would be flying at a much higher altitutde, but it is also at an altitude that would be fairly safe for someone or anyone for that matter to parachute out of the plane.

Guys, stop with your insane movie plots. It was cute at first, but now it's obnoxiously insulting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This story http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/ indicates evidence that after MH370 made the sharp turn it dropped altitude to as low as 12000 feet. This would have helped MH370 avoid traffic since other plans would be flying at a much higher altitutde, but it is also at an altitude that would be fairly safe for someone or anyone for that matter to parachute out of the plane.

Guys, stop with your insane movie plots. It was cute at first, but now it's obnoxiously insulting.

Exactly how is it insulting? And to whom?

[Anonymous]

I think they lost air pressure, the pilot tried to land and drop height (hence the sharp turn towards a known, close airport), but it was too late and they just veered on, all unconscious.

Whatever caused it, also caused the communications to drop. And/or, the pilot had no time to communicate.

Perhaps it's human nature that we all want there to be more to the story - maybe we can understand a suicide or hostage taking or even terror activity. But plain old technical errors in the manufacturing or upkeep of the plane is hard to swallow. It's actually far scarier. Are these planes too smart for their own good?