$7/gallon gas is coming
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Anonymous
Have you spent any time reading DCUM? The majority here would gladly side with Iran over the MAGAs. |
Anonymous
Neither of them are any worse than the Saudis, which is the source that was keeping oil prices low for the last several years. There is no substantial low cost oil in the US or Canada. Those are high cost options that can only be profitable at consistently high oil prices. |
Anonymous
Really? This is happening because we are making a huge issue out of Khashoggi. I'm not justifying his murder, but Iran is murdering dozens of protesters a day right now, and is actively trying to assassinate US citizens including former govt officials. And how are we responding to that? By trying to broker a new JCPOA with Iran, with Russia as the mediator. Naturally, this makes the Saudis and all our other long term allies think we are fickle, unreliable, and currently hostile. I dont have any gas powered cars. This doesnt affect me. I still think you're all throwing away economic stability and our security because you cant properly contextualize news stories and got carried away with outrahe porn. |
Anonymous
Really. Khashoggi is not even a blip on saudis bad behavior. You should read up on their Yemen war, their treatment of dissidents (yes, they execute them just like Iran), their treatment of religious minorities, and their support for terror. |
Anonymous
Oh right, because it will look totally different from Iran's history. Saudi Arabia's military is essentially a wholly owned subsidiary of the US govt. Nothing they've done in the war with Yemen wasnt done without US military equipment. By these standards (cant have wars, cant mistreat minorities, cant execute criminals) we cant even do business with ourselves. |
Anonymous
Ah, but you are missing the point. All this time we, the U.S., were buddies with Saudi Arabia and they can't even keep their hands clean. We seem like a bunch of fools, getting distracted by the oil, but looking the other way when obvious atrocities are happening. Iran, at least in near history, has come to their atrocities by themselves. So, what do you think? How much is cheaper gas worth in third world lives? I know people in the west unconsciously consider them lesser... |
Anonymous
It also doesn't help when our Commander In Chief vows to make Saudi Arabia a pariah. Kind of gets the relationship off to a bad start don't you think? |
Anonymous
Thanks for agreeing with me? No, it's not much different from Iran. That's my point. Both countries are bad actors. We've made our Iran policy into this weird morality play where we oppose them because of the country is run by oppressive religious extremists who disregard human rights, fund terror, and destabilize neighboring countries. At the same time, we are close allies with Saudi Arabia, which also fits that same description. This worked out for 40 years because, in return for the US making their arch rival into a weakened pariah state, Saudi reliability pumped oil at low prices, particularly when there were geopolitical problems. They've decided they no longer want to do that, so there is no reason for us to continue isolating Iran for them. |
Anonymous
What I think is: 1) it is ludicrous to hold our allies to higher standards than we hold ourselces. We execute people, conduct wars with questionable basis, engage in exploitative practices, etc. Saudi Arabia hasnt done any of this on a scale that warrants us turning on them to embrace... Iran of all nations. 2) the moralistic critique of Saudi Arabia comes from a complete lack of self awareness. To them, Americans are borderline Satanic. But they don't come over here and make demamds that we conform to their moral system. 3) it's rich that you're making an "Americans dont care about 'third world'" lives" argument. First, a pointer that the term third world is no longer allowed by your overlords. But second, your argument makes no sense. Saudi Arabia executes criminals rountinely, after a trial and conviction. As a result they hace among the lowest crime rates in the world. We allow murderers to continue to live and we glorify them and their supposed rights, leading to a high rate of death among innocent people. Pound for pound, more Americans are being executed, they are just being executed by the consequence of lax governance. At least Saudi Arabia has less death overall and innocents are protected. And even if that is too much to comprehend, the "middle eastern lives matter" argument doesnt work well when the nation on your "nice list" is Iran. |
Anonymous
Alternatively, we could stop being a bull in a China shop and repair our relationships. |
Anonymous
Biden already tried that. He went over there in a big trip, remember? And bin Salman decided to snub him. In the long run, it is much better for US interests to have two huge oil producers who are in competition with each other. The Saudi strategy paid off for a while, but we now see the limits of relying on one country. |
Anonymous
But they aren’t in competition with each other! Iran is an OPEC member. Russia is a party to OPEC+. That’s the part this admin doesn’t seem to get. |
Anonymous
They very much are in competition. OPEC has historically had a very hard time actually agreeing to and enforcing output quotas, and that has in large part been due to the Iran-Saudi competition. When Iran started getting bid sanctions on its oil exports, it lost leverage in this fight and Saudi can more or less dictate what OPEC does. |
Anonymous
Dp- I’m confident this administration understands Russia is a part of OPEC |
Anonymous