FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

I'm curious as to the source for the "max out at 2200" statement. I kept hearing 2000 kids at KAA once it was fully retrofitted.

If people are already talking about expanding Western HS to accommodate 2200 kids, taxpayers elsewhere will be getting ripped off.

You’re right that the published number is 2000+. I think the 2200 number came second hand from facilities as their objective. I agree with you that it’s a bad move to release 2 options for a new school that has them over 100% capacity on day 1. Options C and D don’t seem viable.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

Carson's capacity is its capacity regardless of the number of AAP kids there.

PP's point remains the same: if Carson has a 1385-student capacity, and were full and the only feeder to a high school, that high school would need to be more like Westfield in terms of capacity than KAA, since a 1385-student middle school implies a 2770-student high school.

Weirdly, they keep adjusting the program capacity for both Carson and Franklin. They had Carson at a capacity of 1539 in 2020-21 and 1385 last year, and Franklin at a capacity of 1005 in 2015-16 and 844 last year. Were modulars installed at those schools and then removed?

They’ll contract program capacity to match enrollment. This might mean repurposing building space or reducing staffing. Carson building capacity, for example is 1539 without modulars and Franklin’s is 1215.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

Carson's capacity is its capacity regardless of the number of AAP kids there.

PP's point remains the same: if Carson has a 1385-student capacity, and were full and the only feeder to a high school, that high school would need to be more like Westfield in terms of capacity than KAA, since a 1385-student middle school implies a 2770-student high school.

Weirdly, they keep adjusting the program capacity for both Carson and Franklin. They had Carson at a capacity of 1539 in 2020-21 and 1385 last year, and Franklin at a capacity of 1005 in 2015-16 and 844 last year. Were modulars installed at those schools and then removed?

They’ll contract program capacity to match enrollment. This might mean repurposing building space or reducing staffing. Carson building capacity, for example is 1539 without modulars and Franklin’s is 1215.

OK, I see you are using the term "building capacity" to mean the same thing as what FCPS calls "design capacity."

Last year Franklin had a design capacity of 1215, a program capacity of 844, an enrollment of 798, and no trailers or modulars. What are they doing there that results in a program capacity that's only 69% of design capacity? It's an affluent school so it seems like they wouldn't be making big adjustments based on much smaller class sizes like you'd have at a poorer school, right?

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

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Anonymous wrote:Did Reid or anyone say yesterday what the next steps are? Like are they holding community meetings, asking for input on a website, what? At what point do they make a final decision about which map they are going with? Four options leaves quite a bit of room for people to complain and angle to get things worked out a certain way. How can they possibly factor in so many different sources and types of input in a short time? Why not narrow it down to two options for example, before presenting to the public? People are throwing out all kinds of changes they would like to see at all school levels. They can’t possibly deal with all that in the midst of the regular boundary study. They really need to be careful managing people’s expectations about how much input the community really gets here.

There are going to be community meetings.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

Carson's capacity is its capacity regardless of the number of AAP kids there.

PP's point remains the same: if Carson has a 1385-student capacity, and were full and the only feeder to a high school, that high school would need to be more like Westfield in terms of capacity than KAA, since a 1385-student middle school implies a 2770-student high school.

Weirdly, they keep adjusting the program capacity for both Carson and Franklin. They had Carson at a capacity of 1539 in 2020-21 and 1385 last year, and Franklin at a capacity of 1005 in 2015-16 and 844 last year. Were modulars installed at those schools and then removed?

Carson is too big.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

But, it splits Fox Mill.
And, it still has FCPS putting kids on extremely long bus rides.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

I am the person who was talking bout the XFLD PTO. I would be a lot happier with staying at Oakton if we got moved to Franklin. I absolutely do NOT want my kids to be the only ones at Carson not going to the high school next door. It's absurd. I just don't understand why people don't want want this. The only thing I can think of is that they are racist and don't want their children in school with hispanic kids. Which is also absurd because they are in middle school with these same kids and it's just fine.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

It's clear Oakton families have different views about being reassigned to the Western HS. I'm starting to think you're a South Lakes parent who is trying to suggest they shouldn't bother with options that would move the part of Crossfield that feeds to Oakton to the new school because you favor Option B.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

But, it splits Fox Mill.
And, it still has FCPS putting kids on extremely long bus rides.

Option B does NOT split Fox Mill.

Bus rides is important but we are talking about Crossfield parents who would fight to stay DESPITE the long bus ride.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

It's clear Oakton families have different views about being reassigned to the Western HS. I'm starting to think you're a South Lakes parent who is trying to suggest they shouldn't bother with options that would move the part of Crossfield that feeds to Oakton to the new school because you favor Option B.

the people that I know who want to stay at Oakton have older kids. The ones who want to go to KAA have younger kids. I see both POVs, and they should allow grandfathering with bussing for current 7-9

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

It's clear Oakton families have different views about being reassigned to the Western HS. I'm starting to think you're a South Lakes parent who is trying to suggest they shouldn't bother with options that would move the part of Crossfield that feeds to Oakton to the new school because you favor Option B.

I do not favor Option B. But I won’t rule out Option B.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

But, it splits Fox Mill.
And, it still has FCPS putting kids on extremely long bus rides.

Option B does NOT split Fox Mill.

Bus rides is important but we are talking about Crossfield parents who would fight to stay DESPITE the long bus ride.

Look at the map. Floris boundary does not cross 286. Option B does. Please tell me which elementary school that is, then.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

It's clear Oakton families have different views about being reassigned to the Western HS. I'm starting to think you're a South Lakes parent who is trying to suggest they shouldn't bother with options that would move the part of Crossfield that feeds to Oakton to the new school because you favor Option B.

the people that I know who want to stay at Oakton have older kids. The ones who want to go to KAA have younger kids. I see both POVs, and they should allow grandfathering with bussing for current 7-9

I don't see how they allow could grandfathering with bussing for current 7-9 grade students who might feed into Western HS later when they probably aren't going to provide transportation for grandfathered 10-12 grade students affected by other county-wide changes planned for the fall of 2026.

I'm also not sure what you mean by grandfathering for current 7-8 grade students. Grandfathering generally refers to letting a kid stay at their current school. A 7th grader in this part of the county is starting at a new middle school, so how could they be "grandfathered"? Also, are you talking about grandfathering a rising 8th grader at their current middle school, if middle school boundaries were also to change, or allowing a rising 8th grader to pick between Oakton and the Western HS when they get to high school a year later? When has FCPS done that before? They may have made a few exceptions where they allowed rising 9th graders to choose between two high schools affected by a boundary change, but that's about it.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

Well, this is exactly why I’m not ruling out Option B. These Oakton parents will fight really hard against being reassigned to KAA.

Speaking of Option B, it might be the cleanest solution. The entire Floris community would move to KAA, avoiding a split feeder.

They could also consider moving Oak Hill students to Carson and Crossfield students to Franklin, which means all Carson kids would be going to KAA (obviously Franklin needs to become an AAP center for this to happen).

But, it splits Fox Mill.
And, it still has FCPS putting kids on extremely long bus rides.

Option B does NOT split Fox Mill.

Bus rides is important but we are talking about Crossfield parents who would fight to stay DESPITE the long bus ride.

Look at the map. Floris boundary does not cross 286. Option B does. Please tell me which elementary school that is, then.

Apologize. I didn't realize it includes ALL of Fox Mill.

But, it doesn't matter. Meren will never approve this.