FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Once you start talking about providing 7th and 8th graders with options to attend KAA or not, you're really admitting the overcrowding at other schools, or the negative impact of these oh-so-long commutes to Westfield and Oakton, isn't that severe.

It's fun to watch these people trip over themselves undermining the arguments they make for why spending so much money on a new school was the best use of FCPS's capital resources.

Using your logic above is like saying offering grandfathering in any capacity means that no changes were really necessary anywhere. You're looking for a "gotcha" but you're not doing a good job of finding one.
Now I happen to agree that they should not be given a choice, but I understand the people suggesting it to try quiet the parents who only care about their kids right now (which lets be honest is all of us) and not what is best in the long term.

Oh, I think you are responding to the Nextdoor poster who screams constantly about this school. There is nothing you can do about her. She claims there are no overcrowded schools.

Nope, different poster. It's funny how you think there's only one person questioning FCPS's haphazard decisions and approaches these days.

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Did I say it was data? I said "everyone I know with elementary-aged kids". I don't know anyone on the PTO Board, but haven't heard the greatest things about you and your friends, to be honest.

You said they were a "vocal minority"

I am a Xfield elementary parent and everyone I know wants to stay at Oakton. I am also not on the PTO board.

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Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Fox Mill and Floris were selected by South Lakes PTSA and Stu Gibson to address demographics of South Lakes. Those ESes are about 100% MC/UMCs. If the UMC Restonians who returned to South Lakes after the demographics fix and the new "for IB" Herndonians continue to go to South Lakes, South Lakes will be fine. If not, South Lakes will end up back the way it was prior to the SLHS redistricting.

I am fully aware of that. But it was long time ago. Meren is not Stu Gibson and South Lakes PTSA has been quiet so far.

It would be rather ironic if this RD that intended One Fairfaxing FCPS ends up blowing up the SLHS redistricting...

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Anonymous wrote:I predicted that Westfield would lose 1,000 students if Floris, McNair, and Coates move to KAA. That calculation was straightforward, as it’s just math.

Predicting the political dynamics is much more difficult.

Several factors are at play:

1. Parents whose children are moving from Chantilly to Westfield are going to fight back. My understanding is that Chantilly parents do like Chantilly High School.

2. McDaniel wants relief for Oakton, and many Crossfield parents would be indifferent or prefer KAA over Oakton. However, I expect strong opposition from vocal Oakton parents who chose this area specifically for Oakton. They want no alternative. Scenario D does carve out part of the Oakton area.

3. Many on this board ruled out Fox Mill, though I argued they have a fighting chance. Losing Fox Mill wouldn’t significantly impact South Lakes, as people assumed, and it would provide some relief. (it's not over capacity but that's not the point.) Meren has not yet expressed her opinion on the boundary changes. Fox Mill parents are likely more open to KAA than Oakton parents. If that's not the case, Reid didn't even have to prepare Scenario B.

4. It’s interesting that Reid mentioned considering an option for 7th and 8th graders. This could alleviate some Oakton parents’ concerns.

Fox Mill and Floris were selected by South Lakes PTSA and Stu Gibson to address demographics of South Lakes. Those ESes are about 100% MC/UMCs. If the UMC Restonians who returned to South Lakes after the demographics fix and the new "for IB" Herndonians continue to go to South Lakes, South Lakes will be fine. If not, South Lakes will end up back the way it was prior to the SLHS redistricting.

I am fully aware of that. But it was long time ago. Meren is not Stu Gibson and South Lakes PTSA has been quiet so far.

It would be rather ironic if this RD that intended One Fairfaxing FCPS ends up blowing up the SLHS redistricting...

The proposal to move Bren Mar Park from Edison to Annandale undoes half of the 2011 boundary change that moved part of Annandale to Woodson and Edison.

I don't think moving Fox Mill or the Floris part of South Lakes to KAA would blow up the 2008 South Lakes redistricting. Times have changed, South Lakes has more kids now, and they get hundreds of motivated kids from Herndon now.

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Anonymous wrote:Option C & D also pull the cutout of Crossfield that attends Hughes and South Lakes into KAA, which is an odd choice.

I really feel like that small Fox Mill Woods neighborhood should go to Hunters Woods instead of Crossfield. That way they would be in a true school pyramid with all their neighbors. People from there have posted many times that they are a "Reston" and not affiliated with Oakton or Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:Option C & D also pull the cutout of Crossfield that attends Hughes and South Lakes into KAA, which is an odd choice.

I really feel like that small Fox Mill Woods neighborhood should go to Hunters Woods instead of Crossfield. That way they would be in a true school pyramid with all their neighbors. People from there have posted many times that they are a "Reston" and not affiliated with Oakton or Herndon.

That was their take during SL Boundary Study. Before that, they went to Oakton. One of the suggestions--especially since it was a small neighborhood--was to give guaranteed pupil placement to Oakton. Stu shut it down.

I knew two people on opposite sides. It was quite sad.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

It's absurd to keep Discovery Sq at Westfield. Distance wise that area wouldn't get a bus to Carson MS or Western HS. Remember these are the same pros that had scenarios with bussing Marshall and Westgate walkers.
13720 Atlantis St, Herndon, VA 20171
https://www.fcps.edu/resources/safety-and-transportation/transportation-services/school-bus-services

"Students may be required to walk to schools or bus stops up to one mile for elementary students and 1.5 miles for secondary students. The distance is measured with a walking wheel (not an odometer) and run from the school property line to the residential property line."


Chantilly=-698 =Westfield 340 + Western 358. Est 84% with the modular and 96% without.
Centreville=-362 Westfield. Est 92% with the modular and 99% without. Addition scale back since FCPS can't get the permits anyway. 381m CIP
Westfield=-1005= Western 1005 [diff was 65 for Floris Discovery square near Carson/WHS]. Westfield is 86% no modular.

Above puts 1363 at the new Western HS with no moves out of South Lakes or Oakton. Skip an academy or magnet. South Lakes west of Fairfax County Parkway [286] and Oakton West Ox?

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

About 20% of Oak Hill is already mapped to Carson, so they just need to figure how to get the rest there. Ideally they find a way to eliminate the split feeder at Carson.

Franklin has been a split feeder since I went there in the 1990s. Ideally you’d want to it be close to a 50/50 split between Chantilly and Oakton. I had a lot friends that ended up at Chantilly which made the rivalry a lot more fun! We knew nobody at Madison, so that was really just a rivalry on paper.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

Do you mean if you took out Carson’s AAP transfers and added base Oak Hill what would the enrollment be? Approximately 1225, which would yield around 2450 for high school. That’s why all the scenarios have pieces of Carson either being sent to Westfield, South Lakes, or Oakton instead of all of it going to KAA.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

I'm curious as to the source for the "max out at 2200" statement. I kept hearing 2000 kids at KAA once it was fully retrofitted.

If people are already talking about expanding Western HS to accommodate 2200 kids, taxpayers elsewhere will be getting ripped off.

[Anonymous]

Did Reid or anyone say yesterday what the next steps are? Like are they holding community meetings, asking for input on a website, what? At what point do they make a final decision about which map they are going with? Four options leaves quite a bit of room for people to complain and angle to get things worked out a certain way. How can they possibly factor in so many different sources and types of input in a short time? Why not narrow it down to two options for example, before presenting to the public? People are throwing out all kinds of changes they would like to see at all school levels. They can’t possibly deal with all that in the midst of the regular boundary study. They really need to be careful managing people’s expectations about how much input the community really gets here.

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So I believe Scenario D with some modifications is the most likely outcome. Chantilly parents would strongly resist moving to Westfield. Westfield would not lose as many students to KAA under Scenarios C and D, unlike Scenarios A and B, where all of Floris is reassigned to KAA. Scenarios C and D provide relief to five high schools, one more than Scenarios A and B, which may be more politically favorable. Scenario D carves out the area with the most vocal Oakton parents.

I still don't see how anyone could think it is fair to keep Discovery Square at Westfield when they are in walking distance of KAA and would be the ONLY neighborhood north of 50.

And, keeping that Navy cutout? Weird, but maybe they like it that way.

I don't see why they would put Fox Mill there, either--especially the part north (east) of the parkway.

I would like them to keep Carson kids at Western High.

With Oak Hill a lock for KAA (as most predicted) all of Carson won’t fit, which is why all scenarios have it cut up in some mismatched way.

I feel like the Carson boundaries need to get cleaned up first before moving onto the high school ones. If they sent Franklin's AAP kids at Carson back to Franklin with an AAP center, could they swap in Franklin's Oak Hill kids to Carson?

They could, but there will still be a capacity mismatch. Carson can take 1385, while KAA is expected to max out at 2200. So if they fully used Carson’s capacity, it could never solely feed KAA without putting it over capacity.

How much of that 385 is AAP kids zoned to a different middle school excluding Oak Hill?

Carson's capacity is its capacity regardless of the number of AAP kids there.

PP's point remains the same: if Carson has a 1385-student capacity, and were full and the only feeder to a high school, that high school would need to be more like Westfield in terms of capacity than KAA, since a 1385-student middle school implies a 2770-student high school.

Weirdly, they keep adjusting the program capacity for both Carson and Franklin. They had Carson at a capacity of 1539 in 2020-21 and 1385 last year, and Franklin at a capacity of 1005 in 2015-16 and 844 last year. Were modulars installed at those schools and then removed?