That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

I am asking the question because pp was so curious about Emily's mother dropping her off at a frat party. I agree Brocks mom isn't responsible for his crime (though she is for her cringe-worthy letter to the judge) however the idea that somehow the victim's mom is fair game for criticism but the person responsible for sending this sex offender out into the world isn't is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.

Thanks for posting this. It's being reported here: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204

O.k. I think that this is significant new info. If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman. But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.

Sorry. I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker. I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there. Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.

I was getting a different picture from the interviews with witnesses in the police reports and released court documents. There is no witness evidence that he was "led" anywhere. She was 22 and he was 19 at the time of the incident, so not such a big difference in age.

And in terms of drinking, she had not been drinking much in the months leading up to the incident. He, on the other hand, had been drinking heavily the whole time he was at Stanford, according to his own letter and had even been charged with MIP during the fall. There is also photo and text evidence of his use of marijuana and acid, so he seemed to have experience with the effects of both drugs and alcohol. Add in the witness testimony that he had been kissing and grabbing women without their permission at the party just shortly before the timeline places him with Emily when the Swedes rode by on their bikes and I was seeing a picture that correlated with the jury verdict of guilty.

She was a self described "party animal" in her college days. She had a tolerance if she was able to drink 4 shots in quick succession and her mom was willing to drop her off on a college campus...the girl is a drinker. She may have been drinking less than normal in the months leading up to this but the girl had a BAC 3X the legal limit. She was drinking cups of vodka.

You can not with a straight face call that a "light" drinker. And you can not compare her experience to that of a 4 month freshman. You can't. They are vast worlds apart in experience.

Lots of people like to say they were "party animals" in their college days. It is not all that meaningful a term. It can just as easily describe someone who liked going out dancing as someone who drank a lot. The fact is that in the months leading up to this particular night in January of 2015, Emily had not been drinking much. Her sister was home for the weekend and she decided to spend time with her and her other friends and they were all drinking. The defendant was also drinking with his friends that night, and there is ample evidence that he had been using alcohol and drugs for at least the year prior to this particular night. He was familiar with the sight of drunk and high people.

The bolded above is the picture produced in my mind by the court documents that have been released.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

I am asking the question because pp was so curious about Emily's mother dropping her off at a frat party. I agree Brocks mom isn't responsible for his crime (though she is for her cringe-worthy letter to the judge) however the idea that somehow the victim's mom is fair game for criticism but the person responsible for sending this sex offender out into the world isn't is insane.

By all indications, Brock's parents have done an admirable job of raising 3 young adults. They've put in the time/effort/love, they know their kids and they stand behind their kids. Brock's mom has doubts that her son did this. She is reeling. This has been devastating. She is not about to lay her baby on the tracks and just watch the train run over him. She is fighting for him. And she will be behind him every step. You don't raise a kid through cub scouts and popcorn sales, early AM swimming practices, evening and weekend meets, first dates and prom and then just give up on his life.

Dropping your drunk daughter off on college campus is weird though. I hope that is not a new trend....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

Bet you are a Trump supporter aren't you? Brock's mother did not help Brock assault Emily. Emily's mother did not help Brock assault Emily either. Brock raped an unconscious Emily all by himself, and would have perhaps violated her even more or killed her if the Swedes would not have come to help.

Children of decent people do not rape other people's children. He was a pervert, entitled, sexual deviant and opportunist. His parents raised this boy and they are complicit in his lack of morality and decency.

He is an indecent person and has been raised by indecent and obscene parents.

Emily's mother dropped her 22 year old adult daughter who is legally allowed to drink, to a party. She did not let Emily drive while she had been drinking. This is responsible parenting. Parents of daughters have the right to expect that their daughter will not be raped when they go to a party. Parents of sons need to raise their kids to know that without explicit consent of "YES" there should be no sexual contact, else it can be rape.

However, in this case, there was no ambiguity. There was no next-morning regret of having sex with a wrong person because both parties were drunk. No. In this case it was a simple case of raping a girl when she was unconscious, behind a dumpster.

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Bet you are a Trump supporter aren't you? Brock's mother did not help Brock assault Emily. Emily's mother did not help Brock assault Emily either. Brock raped an unconscious Emily all by himself, and would have perhaps violated her even more or killed her if the Swedes would not have come to help.

Children of decent people do not rape other people's children. He was a pervert, entitled, sexual deviant and opportunist. His parents raised this boy and they are complicit in his lack of morality and decency.

He is an indecent person and has been raised by indecent and obscene parents.

Emily's mother dropped her 22 year old adult daughter who is legally allowed to drink, to a party. She did not let Emily drive while she had been drinking. This is responsible parenting. Parents of daughters have the right to expect that their daughter will not be raped when they go to a party. Parents of sons need to raise their kids to know that without explicit consent of "YES" there should be no sexual contact, else it can be rape.

However, in this case, there was no ambiguity. There was no next-morning regret of having sex with a wrong person because both parties were drunk. No. In this case it was a simple case of raping a girl when she was unconscious, behind a dumpster.

What a bizarre and false way to view the world. Brock's parents may have been good parents or bad ones -- children can turn out well or badly, irrespective of their parents.

Not that it makes a difference, but was Emily Doe's sister underage or legal to drink?

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Was her sister 21?

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Anonymous wrote:So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.

Thanks for posting this. It's being reported here: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204

O.k. I think that this is significant new info. If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman. But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.

Sorry. I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker. I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there. Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.

I was getting a different picture from the interviews with witnesses in the police reports and released court documents. There is no witness evidence that he was "led" anywhere. She was 22 and he was 19 at the time of the incident, so not such a big difference in age.

And in terms of drinking, she had not been drinking much in the months leading up to the incident. He, on the other hand, had been drinking heavily the whole time he was at Stanford, according to his own letter and had even been charged with MIP during the fall. There is also photo and text evidence of his use of marijuana and acid, so he seemed to have experience with the effects of both drugs and alcohol. Add in the witness testimony that he had been kissing and grabbing women without their permission at the party just shortly before the timeline places him with Emily when the Swedes rode by on their bikes and I was seeing a picture that correlated with the jury verdict of guilty.

She was a self described "party animal" in her college days. She had a tolerance if she was able to drink 4 shots in quick succession and her mom was willing to drop her off on a college campus...the girl is a drinker. She may have been drinking less than normal in the months leading up to this but the girl had a BAC 3X the legal limit. She was drinking cups of vodka.

You can not with a straight face call that a "light" drinker. And you can not compare her experience to that of a 4 month freshman. You can't. They are vast worlds apart in experience.

Lots of people like to say they were "party animals" in their college days. It is not all that meaningful a term. It can just as easily describe someone who liked going out dancing as someone who drank a lot. The fact is that in the months leading up to this particular night in January of 2015, Emily had not been drinking much. Her sister was home for the weekend and she decided to spend time with her and her other friends and they were all drinking. The defendant was also drinking with his friends that night, and there is ample evidence that he had been using alcohol and drugs for at least the year prior to this particular night. He was familiar with the sight of drunk and high people.

The bolded above is the picture produced in my mind by the court documents that have been released.

Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

I am asking the question because pp was so curious about Emily's mother dropping her off at a frat party. I agree Brocks mom isn't responsible for his crime (though she is for her cringe-worthy letter to the judge) however the idea that somehow the victim's mom is fair game for criticism but the person responsible for sending this sex offender out into the world isn't is insane.

By all indications, Brock's parents have done an admirable job of raising 3 young adults. They've put in the time/effort/love, they know their kids and they stand behind their kids. Brock's mom has doubts that her son did this. She is reeling. This has been devastating. She is not about to lay her baby on the tracks and just watch the train run over him. She is fighting for him. And she will be behind him every step. You don't raise a kid through cub scouts and popcorn sales, early AM swimming practices, evening and weekend meets, first dates and prom and then just give up on his life.

Dropping your drunk daughter off on college campus is weird though. I hope that is not a new trend....

The bolded made me LOL. You admire how they have raised Brock?! Okayyyy......

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"Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again."

Unbelievable. Who the hell cares if Emily drank shots before the party? No one else cares, the jury didn't care. Sure she may not have used the best judgment, but she had a legal right ot her actions. Brock on the other hand did not have a legal right to stick his body parts into her without her consent.

As far as her mom driving her to the party, maybe Emily drank the shots in her room and mom was not aware. So bizarre the lengths you are going to blame Emily and her family.

Thank goodness you are in the minority with your weird, twisted beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.

Thanks for posting this. It's being reported here: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204

O.k. I think that this is significant new info. If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman. But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.

Sorry. I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker. I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there. Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.

I was getting a different picture from the interviews with witnesses in the police reports and released court documents. There is no witness evidence that he was "led" anywhere. She was 22 and he was 19 at the time of the incident, so not such a big difference in age.

And in terms of drinking, she had not been drinking much in the months leading up to the incident. He, on the other hand, had been drinking heavily the whole time he was at Stanford, according to his own letter and had even been charged with MIP during the fall. There is also photo and text evidence of his use of marijuana and acid, so he seemed to have experience with the effects of both drugs and alcohol. Add in the witness testimony that he had been kissing and grabbing women without their permission at the party just shortly before the timeline places him with Emily when the Swedes rode by on their bikes and I was seeing a picture that correlated with the jury verdict of guilty.

She was a self described "party animal" in her college days. She had a tolerance if she was able to drink 4 shots in quick succession and her mom was willing to drop her off on a college campus...the girl is a drinker. She may have been drinking less than normal in the months leading up to this but the girl had a BAC 3X the legal limit. She was drinking cups of vodka.

You can not with a straight face call that a "light" drinker. And you can not compare her experience to that of a 4 month freshman. You can't. They are vast worlds apart in experience.

Lots of people like to say they were "party animals" in their college days. It is not all that meaningful a term. It can just as easily describe someone who liked going out dancing as someone who drank a lot. The fact is that in the months leading up to this particular night in January of 2015, Emily had not been drinking much. Her sister was home for the weekend and she decided to spend time with her and her other friends and they were all drinking. The defendant was also drinking with his friends that night, and there is ample evidence that he had been using alcohol and drugs for at least the year prior to this particular night. He was familiar with the sight of drunk and high people.

The bolded above is the picture produced in my mind by the court documents that have been released.

Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again.

By four months into my freshman year of college, I was as familiar with habitual heavy drinking as I am now. If he was going to parties regularly, why are you insisting that he had no idea what he was doing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again."

Unbelievable. Who the hell cares if Emily drank shots before the party? No one else cares, the jury didn't care. Sure she may not have used the best judgment, but she had a legal right ot her actions. Brock on the other hand did not have a legal right to stick his body parts into her without her consent.

As far as her mom driving her to the party, maybe Emily drank the shots in her room and mom was not aware. So bizarre the lengths you are going to blame Emily and her family.

Thank goodness you are in the minority with your weird, twisted beliefs.

The girl was NOT a "LIGHT" drinker no matter how you try to spin this. She was a whiskey shot shooting, red solo cup full of vodka swigging heavy drinker "party animal" whose own mother dropped her off on the campus after she had downed 4 shots of whiskey. Someone said that Brock had seen that level of drinking before, I disagree. Someone suggested that a 4 month freshman was The Same thing as a college grad. No. They are not The Same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no question in my mind that BAT committed a crime here. Not debatable.

My question is: what mother drives her daughters (who have been doing shots of whiskey) to a frat party?!!!

I know. That got me too.

Out of curiosity, are you more interested in that or what kind of mother raises a serial groper/liar/creeper/sex-offender/felon?

Did Brock's mother help him assault Emily? No. So you are out of line. Sometimes kids with good and decent parents do things that good parents would never condone.

This has been an absolute nightmare for Brock's family. But I do wonder about a mother who would drop her daughter off drunk at a college campus. That is just really odd.

I am asking the question because pp was so curious about Emily's mother dropping her off at a frat party. I agree Brocks mom isn't responsible for his crime (though she is for her cringe-worthy letter to the judge) however the idea that somehow the victim's mom is fair game for criticism but the person responsible for sending this sex offender out into the world isn't is insane.

By all indications, Brock's parents have done an admirable job of raising 3 young adults. They've put in the time/effort/love, they know their kids and they stand behind their kids. Brock's mom has doubts that her son did this. She is reeling. This has been devastating. She is not about to lay her baby on the tracks and just watch the train run over him. She is fighting for him. And she will be behind him every step. You don't raise a kid through cub scouts and popcorn sales, early AM swimming practices, evening and weekend meets, first dates and prom and then just give up on his life.

Dropping your drunk daughter off on college campus is weird though. I hope that is not a new trend....

Well, duh, most parents will defend their children and say there is no way they can act in that manner. But I didn't know you are so acquainted with Brock's family to know they have done an admirable job raising their kids. Because what we see and hear in public is always a perfect indicator of the types of people we are, right?

It's nice how you can make judgments about Emily's mom by her one action.

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Anonymous wrote:So now the women's swim team at Stanford speak up about Brock's creepy behavior but they were pressured not to go forward.

Thanks for posting this. It's being reported here: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/brock-turner-stanford-women-s-swim-team-105204

O.k. I think that this is significant new info. If women on the Stanford swim team felt threatened and creeped out by him - both during practice and at parties, it indicates a much stronger pattern of disturbing behavior leading up to this sexual assault.

I was having a hard time seeing a regular nice guy suddenly - out of the blue - snapping and purposefully sexually assaulting a woman. But if there was a pattern of increasing aggressive/creepy behavior....that would make more sense.

I think this is what many of us were trying to get at when everyone was wringing their hands about how such a nice boy could do this: we've known men like this who can present nice in one direction, but are creepy and criminal in another. The Brocks of the world aren't nice to all of us.

Sorry. I was seeing young, inexperienced guy being led behind the dumpster by an older heavy drinker. I still wonder about that whole scenario and how on earth (why!!) they wound up back there. Not all women are nice to men either...but you're right there are some guys who appear one way in front of the crowd and are completely different around their prey.

I was getting a different picture from the interviews with witnesses in the police reports and released court documents. There is no witness evidence that he was "led" anywhere. She was 22 and he was 19 at the time of the incident, so not such a big difference in age.

And in terms of drinking, she had not been drinking much in the months leading up to the incident. He, on the other hand, had been drinking heavily the whole time he was at Stanford, according to his own letter and had even been charged with MIP during the fall. There is also photo and text evidence of his use of marijuana and acid, so he seemed to have experience with the effects of both drugs and alcohol. Add in the witness testimony that he had been kissing and grabbing women without their permission at the party just shortly before the timeline places him with Emily when the Swedes rode by on their bikes and I was seeing a picture that correlated with the jury verdict of guilty.

She was a self described "party animal" in her college days. She had a tolerance if she was able to drink 4 shots in quick succession and her mom was willing to drop her off on a college campus...the girl is a drinker. She may have been drinking less than normal in the months leading up to this but the girl had a BAC 3X the legal limit. She was drinking cups of vodka.

You can not with a straight face call that a "light" drinker. And you can not compare her experience to that of a 4 month freshman. You can't. They are vast worlds apart in experience.

Lots of people like to say they were "party animals" in their college days. It is not all that meaningful a term. It can just as easily describe someone who liked going out dancing as someone who drank a lot. The fact is that in the months leading up to this particular night in January of 2015, Emily had not been drinking much. Her sister was home for the weekend and she decided to spend time with her and her other friends and they were all drinking. The defendant was also drinking with his friends that night, and there is ample evidence that he had been using alcohol and drugs for at least the year prior to this particular night. He was familiar with the sight of drunk and high people.

The bolded above is the picture produced in my mind by the court documents that have been released.

Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again.

By four months into my freshman year of college, I was as familiar with habitual heavy drinking as I am now. If he was going to parties regularly, why are you insisting that he had no idea what he was doing?

He was not the one with 3X the legal limit BAC. He hung around with other competitive athletes - they dabbled in drugs and alcohol. They were not blacking out and passing out behind dumpsters and swimming laps the next day or even the day after that.

It takes time to get to that level.

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Anonymous wrote:"Being familiar with the sight of drunk and high kids is actually not the same thing as being familiar with habitual heavy drinking, which Brock is not familiar with. You don't go from light drinker to downing shots in front of your own mom and drinking cups of vodka and still looking "fine" to your much less drunk sister. The girl stayed at the party drinking after her sister had left.

Brock is not the one minimizing the amount of alcohol he drank. He has said that he never wants to drink again."

Unbelievable. Who the hell cares if Emily drank shots before the party? No one else cares, the jury didn't care. Sure she may not have used the best judgment, but she had a legal right ot her actions. Brock on the other hand did not have a legal right to stick his body parts into her without her consent.

As far as her mom driving her to the party, maybe Emily drank the shots in her room and mom was not aware. So bizarre the lengths you are going to blame Emily and her family.

Thank goodness you are in the minority with your weird, twisted beliefs.

The girl was NOT a "LIGHT" drinker no matter how you try to spin this. She was a whiskey shot shooting, red solo cup full of vodka swigging heavy drinker "party animal" whose own mother dropped her off on the campus after she had downed 4 shots of whiskey. Someone said that Brock had seen that level of drinking before, I disagree. Someone suggested that a 4 month freshman was The Same thing as a college grad. No. They are not The Same.

Maybe he was too busy being familiar with hash and LSD use to be familiar with the shocking sight of a red solo cup brandishing young woman?