Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: to all the Karens, especially the HKIC who is screaming racism on every platform from Facebook to WhatsApp, etc. if you genuinely think the anti-H families are full of racists, why do you even want to go to school with them?

We don't! It's a very small subset of anti H making all the racist comment and we would LOVE it if they went somewhere else!!!!

LOL. No comment has made me laugh as hard as this one. They are now fully embracing their Karen identities. They won’t even say no, we aren’t Karens 🤣. Glad we’re getting somewhere. Even the Karens admit a small subset of anti H are making racist comments. So why are certain Karens indiscriminately calling everyone racist and classist?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi everyone. I am the “first Asian lady” who was approached. Hopping on here because folks are telling me about crazy allegations of racism.

I just want to clarify—I don’t personally know the individual who approached me. Yesterday was the first time I’ve ever met her. But I don’t think she is racist nor did I feel attacked due to my race. Please do not call or imply that she is racist on my behalf.

I agree with her that this is a hot mess all around (and, yes, this is Dr. Taylor’s mess). I think we should all give each other grace for this situation we are all in. If this person is open to it, I am happy to chat over coffee in real life. And as I told her in person, I admire her bravery for speaking up.

Don’t make this into something it’s not. And if that’s too vague for you: stop with this narrative that she hates Asian women.

Thanks from an Asian woman.

What is the point of that conversation beyond to bully her into agreeing with you? What is wrong with her wanting her kids in a new building that is safer and free of mold?

PP: you will need to ask the white woman what the point of the convo was. She was the one who approached the Asian lady screaming.

There is nothing wrong with her wanting her kid in a new building. As one of the candidates (Creed) said, if she wants to go to Crown, she can go to Crown by herself. 🤷‍♂️

Actually no, she can’t go to crown by herself. That’s not how this works. It’s not a “choose your own adventure”. Stop saying if you want to go to crown so badly just go then. You’re showing how little you understand this process.

Also, it shows how completely unqualified Creed would be for this role. Glad I know not to vote for someone who doesn’t even understand how her desired position works.

She actually can. Creed said it can be done on a case by case basis, and Creed is right. She can COSA her kid to go to Crown. Or she could have been super happy with option D, which would have sent her kid to Crown.

Candidate Brett responded directly to her. If the building is genuinely unsafe for her kids, it’s unsafe for every child in the county. This means Wootton is not a good holding school.

If there is money to fix Wootton for other kids, then Wootton can also be fixed for Wootton kids.

You can’t have it both ways. If Wootton isn’t safe, why do pro H parents want Magruder kids to be in an unsafe building?

And, yes, she can COSA out to anywhere assuming her kid has legitimate medical needs.

That’s a red herring bc of course no one wants magruder to be in an unsafe building. And they won’t be bc they won’t use Wootton as a holding school until repairs are done. And those repairs aren’t going to happen for 5-10 until the county has money to actually renovate magruder.

I’m not trying to have it both ways. Wootton is unsafe full stop. No one should be there until a lot a work is done. That’s why we are so lucky we have crown as an option to relocate Wootton 😁

It’s not a red herring. If Wootton is “unsafe,” Magruder would be even more unsafe considering it has a worse FCI per MCPS own analysis. You just said yourself, Magruder kids won’t even get to use Wootton as a holding school for another 5-10 years. So why should Wootton get to randomly jump the line in front of Magruder? Magruder wants to go to Crown. Their school is in worse condition—no one disputes that. Even if you want Wootton to go to Crown, Magruder should get to use it as a holding school before Wootton kids go there.

Bc they can’t indefinitely have Magruder there without a real renovation plan and budget. I agree it’s not fair for Wootton to jump over them but crown is three miles from wottoon and a whole lot further from Magruder so moving wottoon to the building instead makes a lot of geographical sense AND saves the county a whole lot of money. It’s not “random”. Saving money will hopefully eventually get Magruder the renovation they rightly deserve. See, we do agree on something!

Magruder here. A lot of people like to talk for us without actually talking to us! You are absolutely right MCPS can indefinitely house us at Crown, a state of the art facility no less. This is exactly why we must use Crown first. Once we are in Crown, there will finally be an impetus on MCPS to pay attention to us and make sure we don’t get ignored year after year. Us being in Crown will force the issue. Us waiting for another decade (two decades?) while Wootton is in line for renovation will result in another whole generation of Magruder kids being ignored. We are a high FARMS school with a lot of black and brown kids, and while some people don’t think it—we do matter.

The choice for Magruder is either force MCPS’ hand by going to Crown or wait until a kid dies or is seriously injured—no I am not exaggerating.

Also, I would much rather commute to Crown than the hell that is Wootton Parkway traffic.

All of that may be true but you being there to “drive urgency” does not make money fall out of the sky.

Where was magruder months ago to fight for this btw? You can’t show up a couple weeks before the vote and hope they take up an amendment. The time to fight for magruder going to crown (ie crown being the holding school) was before the superintendents recommendation.

There is a lot of creative ways for MCPS to get money. Have they considered selling all their unused plots of land that are literally just sitting there?

Where was the fight before? What an a**hole question. While we are truly impressed by the speed in which Wootton families rallied together, this is not reality for our families. A lot of us are working parents making ends meet (high FARMS again). We can’t just show up at board meetings at ridiculous times during the day. But that doesn’t mean we don’t care about our kids.

You are low income? You have time to post here but not show up?

Not PP but umm...considering that this is in the evening and most board meetings are between noon and 4 PM... ???
Try to have a little bit of empathy maybe? Or is empathy only reserved for people who agree with you?

Are they low-income and do they not get any leave or flex time? The Wootton meeting was not during the day. There are thousands of kids between Wootton and the feeder schools, so surely more parents could have showed up...

Not PP, but this was in response to the Magruder poster. What Wootton meeting? They were talking about how Board Meetings at the BOE are always at very difficult times like 12 PM to 4 PM?

They can submit a written or video testimony.

You still have to be picked??? Are you ok? Getting a spot to testify at BOE—written or by video—has become the hottest concert ticket in town.

Instead of looking at this and saying how can we make the process more equitable especially for families that are struggling the most, your answers are: why can’t you just be there? Are you even low income? Can’t you just take off work? Can’t you just use flex time?

You people are so high up MCPS butthole, you no longer have critical thinking skills.

Pro H supporters are so desperate for the recommendation to pass they are now resorting to blaming Magruder and asking but are you even actually poor?

They are so quick to call anyone who doesn’t want to go to Crown “racist” because they keep driving this narrative that you must not want to go with “Crown kids” when in fact that’s THEIR actual insecurity. We have receipts too!

Some of these most vocal pro H lunatics are the same ones who were crying about going to Crown when option D came out. Now why would that be? Back then, they weren’t talking about Wootton being unsafe. Back then it was all we wanted to stay with the cluster. I can’t believe MCPS is sending us to Crown all by ourselves. What’s wrong with going to Crown? Was it because YOU didn’t want to be with Crown kids?

+1 We all know Dufief folks are the real ones who don’t want to go to Crown with Gaithersburg kids. The same clowns who are screaming about anti H being racist were also the ones begging for community support to rally around them to oppose option D because they didn’t want to go to Crown by themselves.

Yes, screenshots of your names attached to those begging messages exist as well.

The screaming of racism is a self projection. It’s giving white lady Karen weaponizing of racism energy.

I'd rather have my name attached to a post asking to stay with a 50 year community than attached to the racist/classist/elitist garbage others shared.

Wait but why would you want to stay if the building is unsafe? (Could it be because you are actually the one who doesn’t want to go to school with Crown kids by yourself?) whoops… I said the quiet part out loud.

Nope, not why. Like everyone else, Dufief was also shocked when H was announced. Dufief would have been happy with anything that kept them with Wootton (E-H) and was planning to fight for Wootton improvements right along with the rest of the community. However, once the superintendents rec was given, the only option that kept Dufief with Wootton was H so maybe you can understand the pivot. The alternative removed them. Are there some Dufief parents that value a safe school above all else, sure. But the majority of Dufief just wanted to stay with their community of 50 years. But they have to fight for the option that kept them in, not a make believe one like the Rockville alternative.

We demand to speak to the head Karen! Who is the Karen in charge?

I knew about HBIC but today I learned a new acronym: HKIC.

Their HKIC is pretty obvious. It’s the Karen weaponizing and screaming most loudly about racism.

Maybe still some learning left to do? Doesn’t seem like you know what a Karen is…

A Karen is an entitled white lady who is overly confrontational toward minorities. Sounds like someone we know…

Dufief Karens are even more special because they pretend to be social justice warriors calling out “racism” as a shield and projection to their own racism.

Oh okay. So are you claiming that saying that FRES and Rosemont students will ruin Wootton’s academic excellence because of their racial demographics isn’t racist? Because that’s what I hear them calling out.

It’s the Dufief Karens who don’t want to go to school with FRES and Rosemont by themselves, that’s why Dufief Karens only supported the move to Crown after H came out.

Is that a yes…? Because the Karens aren’t the people we’ve seen on video and in text threads saying that. Truly, you don’t have to defend every member of your coalition to be anti-H. You too can call out racism.

First, I like that you acknowledge their Karen-ess. Second, I’m not in the WhatsApp group, nor am I on Nextdoor. The only cesspool I dabble in is DCUM. Third, the only thing I’ve seen so far is the video circulating around with the white dude making a classist remark at the end of the Taylor fireside chat. I have no idea who this dude is and have never seen him in my life but I hope he rots!

Okay so then you agree that these people should be called out. Which seems, to me, to be all they’re advocating for. So…you’re all on the same side of this particular issue and can be united in shutting down any gross arguments about race, including the one that’s just popped up on this very page!

Also, good for you for staying off the WhatsApp group. It’s bad there.

I’m the PP you are responding to. This thread is like 50 messages a minute. What just popped on this page that’s racist? But sure if you want me to call out things—yea that white dude at the end was hella classist

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: to all the Karens, especially the HKIC who is screaming racism on every platform from Facebook to WhatsApp, etc. if you genuinely think the anti-H families are full of racists, why do you even want to go to school with them?

We don't! It's a very small subset of anti H making all the racist comment and we would LOVE it if they went somewhere else!!!!

LOL. No comment has made me laugh as hard as this one. They are now fully embracing their Karen identities. They won’t even say no, we aren’t Karens 🤣. Glad we’re getting somewhere. Even the Karens admit a small subset of anti H are making racist comments. So why are certain Karens indiscriminately calling everyone racist and classist?

No one has said it's everyone! We have been saying all along it's SOME! But it's not a great for everyone else to just ignore it! Catch up! And we don't care if you call us Karens!

Great that you are laughing! We are laughing (at you) too!

[Anonymous]

So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

Freaking facts. They think they are being “bullied” when, in fact, they don’t realize the real harm in the racial tensions stoked by them. But why would they? It’s not like they’ll face consequences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

Freaking facts. They think they are being “bullied” when, in fact, they don’t realize the real harm in the racial tensions stoked by them. But why would they? It’s not like they’ll face consequences.

How dare you bully white women for inflaming racial tensions! They are the real victims!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

I’m sorry, no. The “karens” are being trolled so hard because it’s uncomfortable for people to look inward and take accountability when they cause harm. The people responsible for inflaming racial tensions are, in order:

1) the people making racist comments,
2) the people who are seeing the racist comments and doing nothing to call it out or remedy it because it’s coming from people they otherwise agree with, and then and only then
3) Karens who are calling out racism only if they are misrepresenting what is being said, who is saying it, etc.

It’s totally fair to call people out for #3 if you truly believe that to be the case, but if you do that without acknowledging the harm of #1 and examining your possible role in #2, then you’re not coming to the table prepared to solve the problem. You are just looking to share the blame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

I’m sorry, no. The “karens” are being trolled so hard because it’s uncomfortable for people to look inward and take accountability when they cause harm. The people responsible for inflaming racial tensions are, in order:

1) the people making racist comments,
2) the people who are seeing the racist comments and doing nothing to call it out or remedy it because it’s coming from people they otherwise agree with, and then and only then
3) Karens who are calling out racism only if they are misrepresenting what is being said, who is saying it, etc.

It’s totally fair to call people out for #3 if you truly believe that to be the case, but if you do that without acknowledging the harm of #1 and examining your possible role in #2, then you’re not coming to the table prepared to solve the problem. You are just looking to share the blame.

1. I personally have not seen people making racist remarks. Im the PP who said that white dude at the end made a classist remark and he can rot. If I see a racist remark, I will call it out.
2. This assumes people like me wouldn’t call out white dudes like the one referenced above. How do you know this about me? How do you know who I call out in real life whether it’s racism or classism or homophobia or any thing else? This righteous moral high ground turns people off. Don’t other people arent calling behavior out just because they aren’t on your side for a specific issue.
3. I hope the “Karens” are keeping this same energy for all other racist comments. Seems the other posters above have directed you to another DCUM thread with explicit Asian hate. Maybe the Karens can weigh in there and clarify not every Asian who opposes H is a racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

I’m sorry, no. The “karens” are being trolled so hard because it’s uncomfortable for people to look inward and take accountability when they cause harm. The people responsible for inflaming racial tensions are, in order:

1) the people making racist comments,
2) the people who are seeing the racist comments and doing nothing to call it out or remedy it because it’s coming from people they otherwise agree with, and then and only then
3) Karens who are calling out racism only if they are misrepresenting what is being said, who is saying it, etc.

It’s totally fair to call people out for #3 if you truly believe that to be the case, but if you do that without acknowledging the harm of #1 and examining your possible role in #2, then you’re not coming to the table prepared to solve the problem. You are just looking to share the blame.

The irony of this is wow.

“Karens are only at fault if they are misrepresenting what is being said and who said it.”

First, screaming racism at the top of your lungs without specifics as to what was said is a misrepresentation. Second, as the other PP notes, these Karens claim they have screenshots of WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor. So they DO know who is saying it. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. TELL US WHO THEY ARE? Intentional or not, by not doing so, you are in fact stoking racial tensions and making it sound like a larger group of people are responsible for the actions of specific individuals.

Regardless of where we stand on this issue, it sounds like everyone is agreeing we can all together call out specific individuals. So make it THOSE individuals’ problem. That would help a lot with the racial tensions. Be a real ally.

Before anyone says well we can’t call people out on an anonymous forum. Fine, call people out on those forums like WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor the moment you see comments being made. Put them on blast!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

I’m sorry, no. The “karens” are being trolled so hard because it’s uncomfortable for people to look inward and take accountability when they cause harm. The people responsible for inflaming racial tensions are, in order:

1) the people making racist comments,
2) the people who are seeing the racist comments and doing nothing to call it out or remedy it because it’s coming from people they otherwise agree with, and then and only then
3) Karens who are calling out racism only if they are misrepresenting what is being said, who is saying it, etc.

It’s totally fair to call people out for #3 if you truly believe that to be the case, but if you do that without acknowledging the harm of #1 and examining your possible role in #2, then you’re not coming to the table prepared to solve the problem. You are just looking to share the blame.

The irony of this is wow.

“Karens are only at fault if they are misrepresenting what is being said and who said it.”

First, screaming racism at the top of your lungs without specifics as to what was said is a misrepresentation. Second, as the other PP notes, these Karens claim they have screenshots of WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor. So they DO know who is saying it. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. TELL US WHO THEY ARE? Intentional or not, by not doing so, you are in fact stoking racial tensions and making it sound like a larger group of people are responsible for the actions of specific individuals.

Regardless of where we stand on this issue, it sounds like everyone is agreeing we can all together call out specific individuals. So make it THOSE individuals’ problem. That would help a lot with the racial tensions. Be a real ally.

Before anyone says well we can’t call people out on an anonymous forum. Fine, call people out on those forums like WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor the moment you see comments being made. Put them on blast!

👏 👏 👏 put them on blast and a) I promise I will be right there with you to blast them and b) I’ll stop trolling the Karens.

Please for the love of Wootton and all her feeders, tone down the racial tensions.

The only people deserving of call outs that I have seen so far all happen to be old white men, including an infamous one who has been doing this crap since before Wootton was been built. This dude has no skin in the game but has an opinion on everything.

And yes I’ve called this dude out personally many times, and way before boundary studies even started. He is very annoying. Him and his Costco carts of Asian kids. IYKYK. I do wish he would kindly STFU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why was mcps scared to piss off Churchill in the original options but it doesnt care about pissing off wootton and magruder in option h? If theres no valid reason for wootton to sue, then there wouldn't have been grounds for Wayside to sue either right? Option h seems to anger a lot more people than just Wayside from a future votes for boe or county counsil perspective.

Julie Yang went to bat for Churchill and got Wayside put back there, probably as a way of ensuring her vote down the line. Then she showed up to Wootton to tell us she also stuck her neck out for us. Maybe she did or maybe she didn't but even if she did, it wasn't enough since she had cashed in her chip for Wayside. What Wayside had going for them was they did this starting in October. Wootton didn't have the same chance for another set of options to change. Timing really is everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was mcps scared to piss off Churchill in the original options but it doesnt care about pissing off wootton and magruder in option h? If theres no valid reason for wootton to sue, then there wouldn't have been grounds for Wayside to sue either right? Option h seems to anger a lot more people than just Wayside from a future votes for boe or county counsil perspective.

Julie Yang went to bat for Churchill and got Wayside put back there, probably as a way of ensuring her vote down the line. Then she showed up to Wootton to tell us she also stuck her neck out for us. Maybe she did or maybe she didn't but even if she did, it wasn't enough since she had cashed in her chip for Wayside. What Wayside had going for them was they did this starting in October. Wootton didn't have the same chance for another set of options to change. Timing really is everything.

She only cares about her self interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was mcps scared to piss off Churchill in the original options but it doesnt care about pissing off wootton and magruder in option h? If theres no valid reason for wootton to sue, then there wouldn't have been grounds for Wayside to sue either right? Option h seems to anger a lot more people than just Wayside from a future votes for boe or county counsil perspective.

Julie Yang went to bat for Churchill and got Wayside put back there, probably as a way of ensuring her vote down the line. Then she showed up to Wootton to tell us she also stuck her neck out for us. Maybe she did or maybe she didn't but even if she did, it wasn't enough since she had cashed in her chip for Wayside. What Wayside had going for them was they did this starting in October. Wootton didn't have the same chance for another set of options to change. Timing really is everything.

The same Julie Yang who made sure Cold Spring didn’t go to RM in the original draft of option H and negotiated Cold Spring instead to go to Churchill despite the overcapacity?

Cold Spring is also the only Wootton neighborhood that can vote for her in county council race.

This whole process is: Backroom deals only.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So here’s the thing: the real harm that the Karens are doing by indiscriminately calling everyone racist for being anti H is that they are legitimately inflaming racial tensions.

I’m not going to sit here and pretend everyone who is against H is an angel. But let’s also not sit here and say everyone against H is racist.

You want to see racial tensions? Look at the thread about a black parent asking for the MCPS experience of a black child. That thread is explicit in its Asian hate. One poster even said go to DC because there is less Asians there, as the assumption is all Asians are racist. Another jokes about you can never tell them apart. Yet another talks about how Asians can’t speak proper English but will still look down on you. It goes on and on.

Part of the anger is the fact that white women, in particular, can get away with a lot of things at the expense of other women of color.

All of this anti H are all racists people talk has created tangible racial tensions in the community.

Call racism out when you see it.
But don’t call everyone a racist just because you don’t agree.
Don’t inflame racial tensions for your own agenda.

None of this is that hard.

This is why I think the “Karens” are being trolled so hard. They keep alluding to Whatsapp, Nextdoor, Facebook—platforms where you can easily identify the poster. So presumably the Karens can take it up with those individuals directly, or better yet expose them to everyone. But instead, they want to stoke racial tensions and then wonder why people are upset.

I’m sorry, no. The “karens” are being trolled so hard because it’s uncomfortable for people to look inward and take accountability when they cause harm. The people responsible for inflaming racial tensions are, in order:

1) the people making racist comments,
2) the people who are seeing the racist comments and doing nothing to call it out or remedy it because it’s coming from people they otherwise agree with, and then and only then
3) Karens who are calling out racism only if they are misrepresenting what is being said, who is saying it, etc.

It’s totally fair to call people out for #3 if you truly believe that to be the case, but if you do that without acknowledging the harm of #1 and examining your possible role in #2, then you’re not coming to the table prepared to solve the problem. You are just looking to share the blame.

The irony of this is wow.

“Karens are only at fault if they are misrepresenting what is being said and who said it.”

First, screaming racism at the top of your lungs without specifics as to what was said is a misrepresentation. Second, as the other PP notes, these Karens claim they have screenshots of WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor. So they DO know who is saying it. TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. TELL US WHO THEY ARE? Intentional or not, by not doing so, you are in fact stoking racial tensions and making it sound like a larger group of people are responsible for the actions of specific individuals.

Regardless of where we stand on this issue, it sounds like everyone is agreeing we can all together call out specific individuals. So make it THOSE individuals’ problem. That would help a lot with the racial tensions. Be a real ally.

Before anyone says well we can’t call people out on an anonymous forum. Fine, call people out on those forums like WhatsApp, Facebook, Nextdoor the moment you see comments being made. Put them on blast!

👏 👏 👏 put them on blast and a) I promise I will be right there with you to blast them and b) I’ll stop trolling the Karens.

Please for the love of Wootton and all her feeders, tone down the racial tensions.

The only people deserving of call outs that I have seen so far all happen to be old white men, including an infamous one who has been doing this crap since before Wootton was been built. This dude has no skin in the game but has an opinion on everything.

And yes I’ve called this dude out personally many times, and way before boundary studies even started. He is very annoying. Him and his Costco carts of Asian kids. IYKYK. I do wish he would kindly STFU.

O sweet Jesus. Not the Costco cart full of Asian kids. Pro H, anti H, nobody actually likes this deranged dude.