FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Clean up the identity fraud and combine that data with what enrollments would be if AAP centers and general pupil placement were eliminated. I'm not suggested anything be removed. But how can the country get a true picture of where kids are physically located? Census data? Tax records? You have to find that baseline before looking at moving boundaries.


This makes too much sense.

They really don’t care on getting things right. Just look at how long they’ve neglected McLean HS, yet plan to waste over $80 million on a new and unnecessary Dunn Loring ES. It becomes a power play for them to demonstrate they can do whatever the hell they want, regardless of whether it makes sense.

The only way things will ever get better is if people like Karl Frisch are expelled from public office.


Elections have consequences.

Did any of the candidates get/take any party funding?
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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Clean up the identity fraud and combine that data with what enrollments would be if AAP centers and general pupil placement were eliminated. I'm not suggested anything be removed. But how can the country get a true picture of where kids are physically located? Census data? Tax records? You have to find that baseline before looking at moving boundaries.


This makes too much sense.

They really don’t care on getting things right. Just look at how long they’ve neglected McLean HS, yet plan to waste over $80 million on a new and unnecessary Dunn Loring ES. It becomes a power play for them to demonstrate they can do whatever the hell they want, regardless of whether it makes sense.

The only way things will ever get better is if people like Karl Frisch are expelled from public office.


Elections have consequences.

Did any of the candidates get/take any party funding?


Frisch raises far more money from LBGTQ donors on the East and West Coasts than is needed for a single School Board candidate and a lot of it gets rerouted to other FCDC-endorsed candidates. Assume that makes them less likely to challenge him, so we end up with neglected schools, an unnecessary school, and a boundary review process that Frisch came up with ostensibly to leave it to “experts” to revise boundaries. But we all know who will guide Thru Consulting, so it’s more about trying to avoid accountability than relying on experts.
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Anonymous wrote:Here's an idea. Clean up the identity fraud and combine that data with what enrollments would be if AAP centers and general pupil placement were eliminated. I'm not suggested anything be removed. But how can the country get a true picture of where kids are physically located? Census data? Tax records? You have to find that baseline before looking at moving boundaries.


Are you suggesting that they don’t know the base schools of pupil placed and AAP kids?

Of course as the hayfield scandal has taught us, there is enrollment fraud that needs to be sorted out to make boundary decisions.

However, AAP and Pupil placed students files always have thier actual address and “base school” they know how many kids are enrolled in each of those programs.
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What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?


What happens on December 4th?
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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!


I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.


It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.


H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.




Please let your school board rep know your feelings!


Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.


You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.



DP but why do you think that just because a child happens to have wealthy parents and live in Great Falls, they are smarter than kids who have slightly less wealthy parents and live in Herndon? That's odd.


Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.


Safety differences at the schools are concerning to me, so I find your use of “DIE” interesting.

Do you have enough peanuts back there in the gallery, now that your kids are through the school pyramid that you chose?

Your last paragraph, in particular, is oddly condescending, given that it sounds like you took advantage of those same government schools. One has to wonder how you would’ve reacted in this situation. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have been PTA President.


Safety should be a concern of every parent. FCPS is under no obligation to care more about your child's safety than the children in any other pyramid.

I don't eat peanuts. Chocolate covered pistachios are what I go for on the rare occasion I eat nuts. I didn't choose the Langley pyramid. We moved here for the land, the community feel, the proximity to parks, the beautiful lot. I knew FCPS had a good reputation, so we were fine with that as a back-up. My children were privately educated when we moved into the area.

Government school is government school. If you want to be snooty, at least shell out a few tens of thousands for private so you have something more substantial to keep your nose in the air at the right angle.

As it happens, I was one of the people who actively worked to stop the move to change policy to focus on the racial and economic makeup of schools, because it's bullspit.

I was knocking on doors talking to neighbors, emailing community groups and telling parents on the sidelines at games what was going on. Many hours of my life were spent working against empowering the school board to rearrange schools by race, class, and ethnicity, deciding that "This street should go to School A because it's got middle class Indian Americans. Oh, but this street over here must go to School B because that one needs some working class white kids."

If they were REALLY zoning for capacity and efficiency, then I wouldn't have spent any time on that. Maybe I wouldn't have sent my kids to the new zoned school, or would have pulled them out of the pyramid for private. (Some neighbors didn't care about rezoning as long as they were "safe" and the school didn't really change. They didn't understand the goal was to homogenize the schools) if I thought safety would be an issue. Moving them because we have a fancy house on a large lot and are just so far above everyone else because of it? Not a thing.

FCPS's motivations are STILL bullspit, but increasingly blue GF (and the rest of the county) decided that the party who wanted to move their kids around based on melanin and bank accounts deserved to be elected, and elected again, so here we are.

In the end, I think that the comprehensive boundary review's effect on the Langley pyramid will irritate a small number of families currently zoned for Langley, leave the zone largely unchanged, and greatly disappoint/piss off people that are Great Falls/Langley haters.

You can calm down and don't forget the tree lighting is this weekend. Come have some hot cocoa, listen to the kids sing and chill the F out.


They are not the only pyramid to be effected, right? There will be others.


Yes, count me among those who are confused as to why folks seem to think Langley is the only pyramid who will be affected by the comprehensive (radical?) boundary review.


No one thinks that. They just get upset more easily.


DP. OTC, several obsessive Langley-hating posters think that and get very triggered when anyone reminds them that other schools are being looked at as well.
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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!


I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.


It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.


H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.




Please let your school board rep know your feelings!


Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.


You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.



DP but why do you think that just because a child happens to have wealthy parents and live in Great Falls, they are smarter than kids who have slightly less wealthy parents and live in Herndon? That's odd.


Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.


Safety differences at the schools are concerning to me, so I find your use of “DIE” interesting.

Do you have enough peanuts back there in the gallery, now that your kids are through the school pyramid that you chose?

Your last paragraph, in particular, is oddly condescending, given that it sounds like you took advantage of those same government schools. One has to wonder how you would’ve reacted in this situation. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have been PTA President.


Safety should be a concern of every parent. FCPS is under no obligation to care more about your child's safety than the children in any other pyramid.

I don't eat peanuts. Chocolate covered pistachios are what I go for on the rare occasion I eat nuts. I didn't choose the Langley pyramid. We moved here for the land, the community feel, the proximity to parks, the beautiful lot. I knew FCPS had a good reputation, so we were fine with that as a back-up. My children were privately educated when we moved into the area.

Government school is government school. If you want to be snooty, at least shell out a few tens of thousands for private so you have something more substantial to keep your nose in the air at the right angle.

As it happens, I was one of the people who actively worked to stop the move to change policy to focus on the racial and economic makeup of schools, because it's bullspit.

I was knocking on doors talking to neighbors, emailing community groups and telling parents on the sidelines at games what was going on. Many hours of my life were spent working against empowering the school board to rearrange schools by race, class, and ethnicity, deciding that "This street should go to School A because it's got middle class Indian Americans. Oh, but this street over here must go to School B because that one needs some working class white kids."

If they were REALLY zoning for capacity and efficiency, then I wouldn't have spent any time on that. Maybe I wouldn't have sent my kids to the new zoned school, or would have pulled them out of the pyramid for private. (Some neighbors didn't care about rezoning as long as they were "safe" and the school didn't really change. They didn't understand the goal was to homogenize the schools) if I thought safety would be an issue. Moving them because we have a fancy house on a large lot and are just so far above everyone else because of it? Not a thing.

FCPS's motivations are STILL bullspit, but increasingly blue GF (and the rest of the county) decided that the party who wanted to move their kids around based on melanin and bank accounts deserved to be elected, and elected again, so here we are.

In the end, I think that the comprehensive boundary review's effect on the Langley pyramid will irritate a small number of families currently zoned for Langley, leave the zone largely unchanged, and greatly disappoint/piss off people that are Great Falls/Langley haters.

You can calm down and don't forget the tree lighting is this weekend. Come have some hot cocoa, listen to the kids sing and chill the F out.


They are not the only pyramid to be effected, right? There will be others.


Yes, count me among those who are confused as to why folks seem to think Langley is the only pyramid who will be affected by the comprehensive (radical?) boundary review.


No one thinks that. They just get upset more easily.


DP. OTC, several obsessive Langley-hating posters think that and get very triggered when anyone reminds them that other schools are being looked at as well.


It’d be fun to watch, except it’ll be so catastrophic to much of the county.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm applying. We are a Carson-Oakton family that lives much closer to two other high schools. I refuse to let my rich neighbors dictate where my kids go to high school just because they think Oakton is somehow magically a better school (it's not).

No but the demographics at Oakton are different
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.


I think residency fraud absolutely plays into the redistricting. The overcrowded schools probably owe a significant amount of overcrowding to it.
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.


I think residency fraud absolutely plays into the redistricting. The overcrowded schools probably owe a significant amount of overcrowding to it.

If it were really about residency fraud, Madison and Langley would would be a major part of the topic.

I know for sure there are more than 35 cases that could be investigated at Madison. South Lakes and Westfields also have some questionable students.
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.


I think residency fraud absolutely plays into the redistricting. The overcrowded schools probably owe a significant amount of overcrowding to it.

If it were really about residency fraud, Madison and Langley would would be a major part of the topic.

I know for sure there are more than 35 cases that could be investigated at Madison. South Lakes and Westfields also have some questionable students.


But sure, let’s move other kids whose families follow the rules into different pyramids so that these kids can keep skirting the rules.
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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.


Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.


Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!


I really don’t want to deal with the insufferable Langley parents (‚cause those will be the ones we’re sent) at our school. I do hope they get hit by a large karma bus though.


It’s fascinating to see you so desire to move Forestville kids to your school pyramid and then hate them so much at the same time. Someone could write a dissertation on your cognitive dissonance.


H*ll no. I really do not want them at our school. Keep them in their pen.




Please let your school board rep know your feelings!


Thank you, I have. I truly hate the people over there. All we would here about is their children who poop unicorns and daisies being unable to cope at HHS while their SES peers at HHS run circles around them academically. We’d need to set up a nursery for those and their parents.


You don't believe that.

Neither that the upper middle class at Herndon is equal in net worth and income to Langley, nor that they are academically superior.

That's why you're so angry.

I promise you it's not that serious. Herndon is obviously a perfectly fine school academically and I hope you haven't embittered your children with this toxic inferiority complex.



DP but why do you think that just because a child happens to have wealthy parents and live in Great Falls, they are smarter than kids who have slightly less wealthy parents and live in Herndon? That's odd.


Your reading comprehension is poor or you are being willfully obtuse.

My assertion is that the poster does not believe that the upper economic end of the Herndon student population is at the same monetary level of Langley kids. That this poster does not believe that the upper economic end of Herndon "runs circles" academically around Langley children.

Nowhere did I state that moving to or being born in any particular zip code makes you brilliant or more brilliant than someone who has a little less money. I did not state that kids at Langley "run circles" around the middle class/upper middle class kids at Herndon. I'm quite sure that they are comparable in grades, SAT scores, accolades and college admits. My kids played youth sports with kids from Herndon, went/go to college with kids from Herndon High School. I have first-hand knowledge of the obvious.

That poster has a screaming inferiority complex and it's unhealthy. Whether children currently zoned for Langley end up putting on that black and red and become Hornets or remain Saxons, she would do well to address her mental issues. Like I said, it's NOT that serious. I would say the same on the flip side to those Great Falls residents--actually I HAVE said the same to a few--who think being zoned to Langley is a core part of their self-image and that they will just DIE if the boundaries change, even if done for a good reason.

If the boundaries change don't have a chip on your shoulder about the kids in the class or the fellow PTSA parents just because the government changed the neighborhoods/streets assigned to government schools.


Safety differences at the schools are concerning to me, so I find your use of “DIE” interesting.

Do you have enough peanuts back there in the gallery, now that your kids are through the school pyramid that you chose?

Your last paragraph, in particular, is oddly condescending, given that it sounds like you took advantage of those same government schools. One has to wonder how you would’ve reacted in this situation. I’m guessing you wouldn’t have been PTA President.


Safety should be a concern of every parent. FCPS is under no obligation to care more about your child's safety than the children in any other pyramid.

I don't eat peanuts. Chocolate covered pistachios are what I go for on the rare occasion I eat nuts. I didn't choose the Langley pyramid. We moved here for the land, the community feel, the proximity to parks, the beautiful lot. I knew FCPS had a good reputation, so we were fine with that as a back-up. My children were privately educated when we moved into the area.

Government school is government school. If you want to be snooty, at least shell out a few tens of thousands for private so you have something more substantial to keep your nose in the air at the right angle.

As it happens, I was one of the people who actively worked to stop the move to change policy to focus on the racial and economic makeup of schools, because it's bullspit.

I was knocking on doors talking to neighbors, emailing community groups and telling parents on the sidelines at games what was going on. Many hours of my life were spent working against empowering the school board to rearrange schools by race, class, and ethnicity, deciding that "This street should go to School A because it's got middle class Indian Americans. Oh, but this street over here must go to School B because that one needs some working class white kids."

If they were REALLY zoning for capacity and efficiency, then I wouldn't have spent any time on that. Maybe I wouldn't have sent my kids to the new zoned school, or would have pulled them out of the pyramid for private. (Some neighbors didn't care about rezoning as long as they were "safe" and the school didn't really change. They didn't understand the goal was to homogenize the schools) if I thought safety would be an issue. Moving them because we have a fancy house on a large lot and are just so far above everyone else because of it? Not a thing.

FCPS's motivations are STILL bullspit, but increasingly blue GF (and the rest of the county) decided that the party who wanted to move their kids around based on melanin and bank accounts deserved to be elected, and elected again, so here we are.

In the end, I think that the comprehensive boundary review's effect on the Langley pyramid will irritate a small number of families currently zoned for Langley, leave the zone largely unchanged, and greatly disappoint/piss off people that are Great Falls/Langley haters.

You can calm down and don't forget the tree lighting is this weekend. Come have some hot cocoa, listen to the kids sing and chill the F out.


They are not the only pyramid to be effected, right? There will be others.


Yes, count me among those who are confused as to why folks seem to think Langley is the only pyramid who will be affected by the comprehensive (radical?) boundary review.


No one thinks that. They just get upset more easily.


DP. OTC, several obsessive Langley-hating posters think that and get very triggered when anyone reminds them that other schools are being looked at as well.


No one thinks Langley is the only school that might be affected. Everyone paying attention knows there could be changes in every pyramid, and there’s been a lot of discussion about potential changes in the West Springfield area.



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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.


I think residency fraud absolutely plays into the redistricting. The overcrowded schools probably owe a significant amount of overcrowding to it.

If it were really about residency fraud, Madison and Langley would would be a major part of the topic.

I know for sure there are more than 35 cases that could be investigated at Madison. South Lakes and Westfields also have some questionable students.


It’s Westfield, not Westfields.
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Anonymous wrote:What is the expected outcome on December 4? By then, will anyone care?

That has no effect on this topic.


I think residency fraud absolutely plays into the redistricting. The overcrowded schools probably owe a significant amount of overcrowding to it.

If it were really about residency fraud, Madison and Langley would would be a major part of the topic.

I know for sure there are more than 35 cases that could be investigated at Madison. South Lakes and Westfields also have some questionable students.


But sure, let’s move other kids whose families follow the rules into different pyramids so that these kids can keep skirting the rules.

That’s what is happening. It’s not a problem until someone feels their kid got beat to bad in a sport, they don’t like the school that beat their team, or some other BS.

I think residency requirements should be the same across the entire state.
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