Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If you want to play this game. The first 911 call was made fifteen minutes before the killer entered the school. The police station is a miles away. Why did the police not arrive before the killer walking around with a rifle enter the school? If someone was walking to the school from the police station it would take 11-12 minutes, if they ran maybe 8 minutes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If you want to play this game. The first 911 call was made fifteen minutes before the killer entered the school. The police station is a miles away. Why did the police not arrive before the killer walking around with a rifle enter the school? If someone was walking to the school from the police station it would take 11-12 minutes, if they ran maybe 8 minutes?

I thought a cop arrived within minutes and was talking to a teacher in the parking lot instead of the gunman?

Maybe the timeline has been changed again.

[Anonymous]

11:28 The gunman crashed a truck near Robb Elementary School, then approached the school on foot. At the same time, two men at the funeral home across the street hear the truck crash. They run toward the truck and see the suspect, Salvador Ramos, exit with a gun and a backpack. The men flee, and the gunman fires at them but misses. One of them falls while running, but both make it back to the funeral home. The gunman travels on foot toward the school.

11:30 A witness who called 911, possibly the teacher, says a vehicle has crashed and there’s a man with a gun there.

11:31 Now in the school parking lot, the gunman begins shooting at the school. Meanwhile, a patrol vehicle arrives at the funeral home. An officer drives into the school parking lot, passing by the gunman, and eventually confronts someone in the parking lot who turns out to be a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Seems like timeline details are iffy.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-school-shooting-timeline-6069b0cf01e5f732ef55f9fd0b7109d7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

With minimal practice a semiauto Glock 9 magazine with 24 rounds can be emptied in under four seconds. A new magazine can be clipped in a few seconds. There’s more recoil than a semiauto rifle, and less accurate over a long distance, but it’s just as deadly. And much cheaper.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

Yes!! How is that not clear? Fewer bullets ripping into small bodies would be a huge fricking step forward.

+1

I mean it wouldn’t stop shootings entirely, back when they were banned there still were some mass shootings. But far fewer.

Also the cops didn’t want to enter because the guy had such a dangerous gun so, maybe let’s not let civilians have guns cops are too scared to deal with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

No, I'll ask again: Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

There's not a lot of variety of style of gun for school shootings. Why is that?

(Pro tip: That's not an argument. It's a question -- one which you are dodging.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

With minimal practice a semiauto Glock 9 magazine with 24 rounds can be emptied in under four seconds. A new magazine can be clipped in a few seconds. There’s more recoil than a semiauto rifle, and less accurate over a long distance, but it’s just as deadly. And much cheaper.

And yet he had an AR15 because he was not legally allowed to own a Glock 9 until his 21st birthday.

Let’s ban under 21s from access to semi-autos. That’s seems like a reasonable idea, given young men’s proclivity for engaging in mass shootings. Men under 21 can have access to bolt-action rifles and shotguns that hold two shells. That should be sufficient for their “right to bear arms” until they turn 21.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

No, I'll ask again: Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

There's not a lot of variety of style of gun for school shootings. Why is that?

(Pro tip: That's not an argument. It's a question -- one which you are dodging.)

Try to follow along. Most school shooters are under the age of 21. They can’t legally purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer. And the assault style rifle, which is easy to use, has become fetishized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

No, I'll ask again: Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

There's not a lot of variety of style of gun for school shootings. Why is that?

(Pro tip: That's not an argument. It's a question -- one which you are dodging.)

Try to follow along. Most school shooters are under the age of 21. They can’t legally purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer. And the assault style rifle, which is easy to use, has become fetishized.

Right. It's become fetishized.

And usually the shooters haven't purchased the assault style rifle legally themselves -- they have selected it from someone else's stash that they have access to. And they pick the ones that suit the fantasy.

School shootings have been planned out in advance, fantasized about, and are part of a personal narrative of going out "in a blaze of glory." Nobody looks cool in their own head if they imagine picking off little kids with a handgun, even if their mom has one in the house available.

If these people just wanted to kill as many students and teachers as possible, they'd put rat poison in the school lunch food. You can buy it without restrictions at WalMart, and all it would take would be to slip into some hiding spot one day at the end of school. Or hell, cut the but break lines. There are dozens of options.

But those aren't the ones they choose. They consistently pick the assault style rifles out of any options they have, and it's because they fetishize them. Take away the easy, wank-worthy style, and most aren't inventive enough to find a different fetish fantasy to play out.

[Anonymous]

^^cut the bus brake lines

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want to know why a teacher propped the outer door open and left it that way. Sadly, the teachers who died had not locked their classroom doors in keeping with security protocol. And why was the school resource officer not on the campus when the shooter arrived?

Had those three things been different, the loss of life would likely have been significantly lower.

The commander who kept his cops waiting in the hall is not the only person who made lethal mistakes.

If a mentally ill teenager couldn’t get his hands on an AR15 and ammunition, the carnage would have been nonexistent.

Then he could get a glock or other gun instead and shoot kids with that. Banning AR 15s is certainly worth discussing, but it will not by itself stop school shootings.

DP
Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

Is this your logic?

AR 15s shoot more bullets and shoot faster than handguns.

Therefore, without AR 15s . . . there would be no more school shootings?

No, I'll ask again: Why do you think school shooters consistently choose guns like the AR15, instead of Glocks?

There's not a lot of variety of style of gun for school shootings. Why is that?

(Pro tip: That's not an argument. It's a question -- one which you are dodging.)

+1. As my family in Vermont likes to say-you don’t need an automatic weapon to shoot a dear. It’s too bad the NRA has perverted the lobby of legitimate gun users because many people who are actually using guns for legit purposes (including hunters and those in the military) understand the need for guns to be used by those who have appropriate training and background screened so you can at least try to check that they’re not using them for criminal behavior.

[Anonymous]

This isn’t hard.

It’s the guns.

Nobody needs an AR-15 for any legitimate purpose. Even if banning them or eliminating them was the “wrong” solution, what exactly is the loss there? Someone doesn’t have their favorite gun? What a tragedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t hard.

It’s the guns.

Nobody needs an AR-15 for any legitimate purpose. Even if banning them or eliminating them was the “wrong” solution, what exactly is the loss there? Someone doesn’t have their favorite gun? What a tragedy.

+1. All rapid fire firearms and all extended magazines should be banned again. That’s a given.

[Anonymous]

The funerals of those poor children are going to be heartbreaking.

Our country is such a pathetic embarrassment.