s/o this brutal admissions year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

I disagree. Performing well on a test doesn’t necessarily mean you are smarter or a better student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

But they will just keep spinning that lie, as it suits their narrative. They’ll ignore the fact that test optional makes the other criteria MORE important, and they will also ignore the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA if those accepted students submitted scores or not.

Of course if they are right in 4 years we will see the graduation rate plummet, because elite college admissions officers are idiots who can’t do their job properly if only 50% of applicants submit scores.

Lies lies lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

But they will just keep spinning that lie, as it suits their narrative. They’ll ignore the fact that test optional makes the other criteria MORE important, and they will also ignore the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA if those accepted students submitted scores or not.

Of course if they are right in 4 years we will see the graduation rate plummet, because elite college admissions officers are idiots who can’t do their job properly if only 50% of applicants submit scores.

Lies lies lies.

Sorry meant to reply to the post after this. PP I responded to, you are spinning the BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

“Skate by”? It doesn’t seem as though colleges are admitting the test-optional kids at any great rate - I think it’s a very risky way to apply and puts students at a disadvantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

I disagree. Performing well on a test doesn’t necessarily mean you are smarter or a better student.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Sadly kids need to work hard. But my oldest two did get into good colleges.

[Anonymous]

Test optional significantly advantaged my child who got into their far Reach ED. I feel for those bemoaning the horrific acceptance rates but finally kids who simply aren’t as advantaged by being taught how to take the test are on the radar of the most selective schools. This is a welcome change...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

But they will just keep spinning that lie, as it suits their narrative. They’ll ignore the fact that test optional makes the other criteria MORE important, and they will also ignore the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA if those accepted students submitted scores or not.

Of course if they are right in 4 years we will see the graduation rate plummet, because elite college admissions officers are idiots who can’t do their job properly if only 50% of applicants submit scores.

Lies lies lies.

Elite college admissions officers are not idiots. Just a little public service announcement for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious if parents who have been through the admissions cycle this year could comment on my DD who is a junior at a W school. She has a 3.98 UW and (estimating) 4.7 W GPA and 1470 SAT. She is going to take the SAT again to try and get her verbal higher. Btw, her choice. We think her score is great!

She has worked all through the pandemic and when she got laid off from her first job, she went and found another job at a “big box” retailer” working 15-20 hours per week. Other usual ECs. Applied for summer internships and should hear back later this month.

Current list: Pitt, Case Western, Northeastern, Michigan, U of Miami and she is deciding between Northwestern and Wash U for her ED spot. Wants to study psychology or science and pre-med.

She needs a list of safeties. Help and thanks!!!

Northwestern unlikely to happen. I would go with WashU for ED choice.

Baloney. PP, don't listen to this poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious if parents who have been through the admissions cycle this year could comment on my DD who is a junior at a W school. She has a 3.98 UW and (estimating) 4.7 W GPA and 1470 SAT. She is going to take the SAT again to try and get her verbal higher. Btw, her choice. We think her score is great!

She has worked all through the pandemic and when she got laid off from her first job, she went and found another job at a “big box” retailer” working 15-20 hours per week. Other usual ECs. Applied for summer internships and should hear back later this month.

Current list: Pitt, Case Western, Northeastern, Michigan, U of Miami and she is deciding between Northwestern and Wash U for her ED spot. Wants to study psychology or science and pre-med.

She needs a list of safeties. Help and thanks!!!

Northwestern unlikely to happen. I would go with WashU for ED choice.

Baloney. PP, don't listen to this poster.

No, I think that poster is correct. Northwestern this year has been impossible to get into. All things being equal, I'd probably place my bets with those stats on early at Wash U. Still may get deferred. Another option is first early northwestern, second early at Wash U or similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know three students who got into major reaches this year for what one would expect for them--test optional really helped some kids and I guess hurt the high performing students.

How on earth would test optional hurt high performing students?

It made the test optional for lesser performing students, who now skate by on some vague criteria.

But they will just keep spinning that lie, as it suits their narrative. They’ll ignore the fact that test optional makes the other criteria MORE important, and they will also ignore the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA if those accepted students submitted scores or not.

Of course if they are right in 4 years we will see the graduation rate plummet, because elite college admissions officers are idiots who can’t do their job properly if only 50% of applicants submit scores.

Lies lies lies.

Elite college admissions officers are not idiots. Just a little public service announcement for you.

That paragraph was obviously sarcasm. Just a little public service announcement for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional significantly advantaged my child who got into their far Reach ED. I feel for those bemoaning the horrific acceptance rates but finally kids who simply aren’t as advantaged by being taught how to take the test are on the radar of the most selective schools. This is a welcome change...

That is good but it remains to be seen if this is really the end of standardized testing. The ED stats show that the big majority of admitted student did submit test scores. Baby steps I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional significantly advantaged my child who got into their far Reach ED. I feel for those bemoaning the horrific acceptance rates but finally kids who simply aren’t as advantaged by being taught how to take the test are on the radar of the most selective schools. This is a welcome change...

You must be full pays at their far Reach ED. If it's not the standardized test scores, usually it's hooks plus full pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Test optional significantly advantaged my child who got into their far Reach ED. I feel for those bemoaning the horrific acceptance rates but finally kids who simply aren’t as advantaged by being taught how to take the test are on the radar of the most selective schools. This is a welcome change...

That is good but it remains to be seen if this is really the end of standardized testing. The ED stats show that the big majority of admitted student did submit test scores. Baby steps I guess.

It won't end overnight -- but if elite schools discover they can build the same - or better - class for themselves without having to worry about what that data point does to their (evil) USN ranking, then yes it may be the beginning of the end. They need to see the data on the results.