I understand the need for "Empowering Males of Color", but the tone of this is exclusive offensive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if someone has already posted something similar, but this is a helpful document from the US Department of Education to help people understand why the program is not illegal or racist.

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-education-secretary-announces-guidance-ensure-all-students-have-equal-access-

In particular:
Under Title VI, states, school districts and schools must not intentionally treat students differently based on race, color or national origin in providing educational resources. In addition, they must not implement policies or practices for providing educational resources that disproportionately affect students of a particular race, color or national origin, absent a substantial justification. The law does not require that all students receive the exact same resources to have an equal chance to learn and achieve. It does, however, require that all students have equal access to comparable resources in light of their educational needs.

And I point to this sentence: Under Title VI, states, school districts and schools must not intentionally treat students differently based on race, color or national origin in providing educational resources.

I posted above that I don’t have a problem with this program but they need to make it clear that is open to everyone. that’s it.

Again, are you suggesting that white students need specific events to address empowerment? Do you think that their needs are the same as Black students in DC?

I think the opportunity gap is very easy to demonstrate. It's in studies all over the place here.

Again, it’s not geared to Black students, but all students of color. Only white students are excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if someone has already posted something similar, but this is a helpful document from the US Department of Education to help people understand why the program is not illegal or racist.

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/us-education-secretary-announces-guidance-ensure-all-students-have-equal-access-

In particular:
Under Title VI, states, school districts and schools must not intentionally treat students differently based on race, color or national origin in providing educational resources. In addition, they must not implement policies or practices for providing educational resources that disproportionately affect students of a particular race, color or national origin, absent a substantial justification. The law does not require that all students receive the exact same resources to have an equal chance to learn and achieve. It does, however, require that all students have equal access to comparable resources in light of their educational needs.

And I point to this sentence: Under Title VI, states, school districts and schools must not intentionally treat students differently based on race, color or national origin in providing educational resources.

I posted above that I don’t have a problem with this program but they need to make it clear that is open to everyone. that’s it.

I don't know why you'd point to one sentence and ignore the others? First, its not at all clear that white students are not invited. I am positive that if your white kid attended, it would be fine. However, even if it is intended only for POC, obviously there is an achievement gap, which is the substantial justification for treating different people differently. And this excerpt (I'm sure you didn't read the whole thing, which clarifies even further) states that the law does not require that all students receive the exact same resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess let’s cancel those workshops for kids with disabilities too, we didn’t explicitly invite typical kids.

Guess we should cancel latinx events we didn’t specifically invite everyone.

Guess we should celebrate black, Asian, latinx months because there is no white history month.

I feel so sorry for people who don’t understand, you are so privileged you don’t understand and act as if you’re being excluded from something that for once isn’t about you.

I’m glad this is what you feel like is a big problem., it’s very telling and quite frankly pathetic.

it's why I'm not a democrat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess let’s cancel those workshops for kids with disabilities too, we didn’t explicitly invite typical kids.

Guess we should cancel latinx events we didn’t specifically invite everyone.

Guess we should celebrate black, Asian, latinx months because there is no white history month.

I feel so sorry for people who don’t understand, you are so privileged you don’t understand and act as if you’re being excluded from something that for once isn’t about you.

I’m glad this is what you feel like is a big problem., it’s very telling and quite frankly pathetic.

No, just invite everyone and let them choose to attend or not. This is not hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess let’s cancel those workshops for kids with disabilities too, we didn’t explicitly invite typical kids.

Guess we should cancel latinx events we didn’t specifically invite everyone.

Guess we should celebrate black, Asian, latinx months because there is no white history month.

I feel so sorry for people who don’t understand, you are so privileged you don’t understand and act as if you’re being excluded from something that for once isn’t about you.

I’m glad this is what you feel like is a big problem., it’s very telling and quite frankly pathetic.

I don’t understand this comment. No one is excluded from those events. Quite the opposite; everyone is invited to learn more about the topics you cite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are asians POC?

Depends on melanin measurements.

Here's a video of some Japanese pop stars. Their skin color is paler than my "white" friends from Italy:

POC refers to non-white people, as a Japanese person myself I am afforded privilege but not as much as European Americans.

It's Japinx now. Japanese is transphobic

[Anonymous]

Its obvi that only males of color are welcome to this event. Better if open to all, but as such I could support it under the auspices of a males of color affinity group (and with an affinity group available that white males could join). Not as a funded, stand alone event. However, its no more problematic than the DC HS geared towards males of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are asians POC?

Depends on melanin measurements.

Here's a video of some Japanese pop stars. Their skin color is paler than my "white" friends from Italy:

POC refers to non-white people, as a Japanese person myself I am afforded privilege but not as much as European Americans.

It's Japinx now. Japanese is transphobic

[Anonymous]

Your white son isn't lacking in leadership opportunity or any other opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a problem with this, but they should have added a line saying all students are welcome.

I know from experience that people get upset when you focus. I ran a woman's group at work for years. Females have different challenges in the work place and we focused on those. One man complained and wanted us to end it, so I added that anyone can join. If a man wants to hear about breast feeding at the office or the glass ceiling they should feel free to join.

A DCPS student who does not fit the focus group
may find that nothing applies to them, but they should be invited.

That man shouldn’t have been invited in your space. You should have instead advised him to form his own group.
Just like a woman may not speak as comfortably in a space where men are present, the same goes for people of color. Sometimes our conversations and deeply personal experiences are best shared amongst people like ourselves. We have very few spaces where it’s just US. Let US have something.

I disagree. I think by making it a "woman's group" or a "POC group" or whatever, you continue to make it something separate and apart from the white, male "norm." If we really believe that women's issues are people's issues and that we want white people to better understand the issues POC face, then I don't think it is helpful to make it seem like men or white people aren't welcome into the conversation. I don't think anyone is asking someone to go out of their way to invite them or make sure they are attending, but it does send a signal that "this isn't for you" when you see language like that. There are definitely mixed signals going on here.

[Anonymous]

Cool, cool. Let invite your white son to the how not to get killed by the police talk too..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just curious. Am I POC if I have one Black great grandmother? One Inuit great great grandmother?

Do *YOU* consider yourself a POC? There’s your answer.

I could if I wanted. But half the "white"people I know would qualify as minority under the one drop rule.

If my kids will get special programming or have an easier time getting into college I guess I should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just curious. Am I POC if I have one Black great grandmother? One Inuit great great grandmother?

Do *YOU* consider yourself a POC? There’s your answer.

I could if I wanted. But half the "white"people I know would qualify as minority under the one drop rule.

If my kids will get special programming or have an easier time getting into college I guess I should.

No. You are not and I think you know that Karen.

[Anonymous]

So where do you draw the line. I have 2 poc in my family tree. Some of us look darker than others. Do the dark ones get to be poc and the rest of us not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a problem with this, but they should have added a line saying all students are welcome.

I know from experience that people get upset when you focus. I ran a woman's group at work for years. Females have different challenges in the work place and we focused on those. One man complained and wanted us to end it, so I added that anyone can join. If a man wants to hear about breast feeding at the office or the glass ceiling they should feel free to join.

A DCPS student who does not fit the focus group
may find that nothing applies to them, but they should be invited.

That man shouldn’t have been invited in your space. You should have instead advised him to form his own group.
Just like a woman may not speak as comfortably in a space where men are present, the same goes for people of color. Sometimes our conversations and deeply personal experiences are best shared amongst people like ourselves. We have very few spaces where it’s just US. Let US have something.

I disagree. I think by making it a "woman's group" or a "POC group" or whatever, you continue to make it something separate and apart from the white, male "norm." If we really believe that women's issues are people's issues and that we want white people to better understand the issues POC face, then I don't think it is helpful to make it seem like men or white people aren't welcome into the conversation. I don't think anyone is asking someone to go out of their way to invite them or make sure they are attending, but it does send a signal that "this isn't for you" when you see language like that. There are definitely mixed signals going on here.

it's really not up to you to decide what disadvantaged groups want to do to help themselves, you know? if you want to start a multiracial leadership discussion group, go right ahead. but trying to argue that you need to be admitted to women's groups, black groups, Jewish groups, whatever ... is beyond the pale.