I understand the need for "Empowering Males of Color", but the tone of this is exclusive offensive

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's shitty that they have programs literally geared toward every student except white males. Is there a correlating general leadership program that all can participate in in addition to or instead of these programs?

Why do you think it's shitty? Do you think white males need a special program to be empowered? Do you feel your white male child does not have enough support to overcome challenges in his life? What kind of problems do you think your white male child will face getting into college, going to college, and in the workplace?

Fashionable anti-white racism and anti-white-male sexism, as displayed throughout this thread? Surrounded by propaganda celebrating that "the future is female?" Being sadled with blood guilt for the actions of long-dead white men against other long-dead people? The deck stacked against them in college admissions, hiring, and promotion as institutions are desperate to radically "diversify," even as women increasingly dominate college campuses.

The only group who has it worse now are Chinese Americans.

This person is working hard to shore up a narrative that most people by 2020 know is utterly false (that somehow racism is in the past), and in doing so, doing the work of racism.

People who actually study history know that when slavery ended, reconstruction began to make real gains for people who had been enslaved, so white Americans came up with Jim Crow, segregation, poll taxes, the Klan, etc. to enforce white supremacy.

When civil rights legislation ended de jure segregation, they invented a whole range of tactics to segregate schools. They invented redlining, racist real estate practices, racist mortgage programs focused on white suburbs which excluded black communities, racist insurance rating practices, etc. all worked to prevent Black accumulation of wealth and facilitate white wealth accumulation. This is all during my lifetime -- my elementary school was officially segregated, 20 years after Brown vs Board of Education.

And, of course, the explicitly (and acknowledged as such by some of it's architects) war on drugs that targeted Black communities while leaving white drug users and dealers undisturbed. And the mortgage practices of 2000-2009 (including "junk loans for mud people" according to one Wells Fargo executive who was caught on tape laughing about his bank's racism).

And in 2020, you can find literally hundreds of studies -- mostly paid for by police departments -- that show that the criminal justice system is systematically racist at every stage. Black people are stopped much more by police (despite research showing no difference in driving offenses), searched more when they are stopped (despite the fact that white people are slightly more likely to have drugs or guns), arrested more when they are searched (despite less contraband being found), charged with more serious crimes based on similar facts, convicted more on similar evidence, sentenced for longer on similar convictions, violated for parole more based on similar violations, etc. An excellent overview is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/#Policing

All of this starts before birth. A Black woman with a Phd is more likely to die in childbirth than a white woman who didn't finish high school. Black patients who have Black doctors have DRAMATICALLY better outcomes, and surveys of white physicians consistently find that they hold many incorrect and dangerous ideas about physiological differences between whites and Blacks.

And it continues throughout childhood. Black kids are suspended and expelled at much higher rates than white kids for the similar behaviors starting in preschool. Black kids are enormously more likely to be ARRESTED in school in places that have police in schools than white children with similar behaviors.

So make no mistake -- PP's assumed victimhood "boohoo -- it's so HARD to be a white man, even though we earn more, go to jail less, are fired less, are unemployed less, hold the overwhelming share of positions of power in government and business, and get away with crime more" is not just nonsense. It's someone DOING racism and sexism. As a middle aged white guy, I really want to say to PP -- man the hell up and stop whining. You're not a victim. Quit trying to assume victimhood and instead go try to make the world better.

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Anonymous wrote:If u don't like then u prob shouldn't live in a "chocolate city"

It ain’t Chocolate City anymore.

DCPS enrollment is 80% black and latino. Whites are 15%. "Other" (Asians?) is 5%.

So DCPS is hosting events for the majority of their population and not treating the minority equally? Seems to go against the ideals of the civil rights movement. Or was that wrong?

again with the good faith questions! wow!

So no answers to the question why DCPS would marginalize their minority students?

it’s such a good faith question it has its answer embedded in the question! wow!

Still no answer.

wittle baby troll so sad

Not sad. Not surprised at either the name-calling or the inability to defend the position. Pretty predictable, actually. There’s a long history of majority populations silencing the minority.

Like what some white people do? Hmmm like what you’re trying to do now Karen?

You’re not a minority, you have a minority opinion thank god.

And now DCPS is doing it. No one has learned to be truly inclusive. You’re right. It is sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's shitty that they have programs literally geared toward every student except white males. Is there a correlating general leadership program that all can participate in in addition to or instead of these programs?

Why do you think it's shitty? Do you think white males need a special program to be empowered? Do you feel your white male child does not have enough support to overcome challenges in his life? What kind of problems do you think your white male child will face getting into college, going to college, and in the workplace?

Fashionable anti-white racism and anti-white-male sexism, as displayed throughout this thread? Surrounded by propaganda celebrating that "the future is female?" Being sadled with blood guilt for the actions of long-dead white men against other long-dead people? The deck stacked against them in college admissions, hiring, and promotion as institutions are desperate to radically "diversify," even as women increasingly dominate college campuses.

The only group who has it worse now are Chinese Americans.

This person is working hard to shore up a narrative that most people by 2020 know is utterly false (that somehow racism is in the past), and in doing so, doing the work of racism.

People who actually study history know that when slavery ended, reconstruction began to make real gains for people who had been enslaved, so white Americans came up with Jim Crow, segregation, poll taxes, the Klan, etc. to enforce white supremacy.

When civil rights legislation ended de jure segregation, they invented a whole range of tactics to segregate schools. They invented redlining, racist real estate practices, racist mortgage programs focused on white suburbs which excluded black communities, racist insurance rating practices, etc. all worked to prevent Black accumulation of wealth and facilitate white wealth accumulation. This is all during my lifetime -- my elementary school was officially segregated, 20 years after Brown vs Board of Education.

And, of course, the explicitly (and acknowledged as such by some of it's architects) war on drugs that targeted Black communities while leaving white drug users and dealers undisturbed. And the mortgage practices of 2000-2009 (including "junk loans for mud people" according to one Wells Fargo executive who was caught on tape laughing about his bank's racism).

And in 2020, you can find literally hundreds of studies -- mostly paid for by police departments -- that show that the criminal justice system is systematically racist at every stage. Black people are stopped much more by police (despite research showing no difference in driving offenses), searched more when they are stopped (despite the fact that white people are slightly more likely to have drugs or guns), arrested more when they are searched (despite less contraband being found), charged with more serious crimes based on similar facts, convicted more on similar evidence, sentenced for longer on similar convictions, violated for parole more based on similar violations, etc. An excellent overview is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/#Policing

All of this starts before birth. A Black woman with a Phd is more likely to die in childbirth than a white woman who didn't finish high school. Black patients who have Black doctors have DRAMATICALLY better outcomes, and surveys of white physicians consistently find that they hold many incorrect and dangerous ideas about physiological differences between whites and Blacks.

And it continues throughout childhood. Black kids are suspended and expelled at much higher rates than white kids for the similar behaviors starting in preschool. Black kids are enormously more likely to be ARRESTED in school in places that have police in schools than white children with similar behaviors.

So make no mistake -- PP's assumed victimhood "boohoo -- it's so HARD to be a white man, even though we earn more, go to jail less, are fired less, are unemployed less, hold the overwhelming share of positions of power in government and business, and get away with crime more" is not just nonsense. It's someone DOING racism and sexism. As a middle aged white guy, I really want to say to PP -- man the hell up and stop whining. You're not a victim. Quit trying to assume victimhood and instead go try to make the world better.

can we pin this post???

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Anonymous wrote:This is a really hard time to be a minority. I am very happy they’re doing this.

Yes OP Karen, we hear your cry of “All Lives Matter!“

I’m glad they are doing it too. I just wish they weren’t excluding 11 yr olds while they’re at it.

Have you asked your white 11 year old why he wants to attend such an event? Why, as a white child, he feels like learning how to become an empowered black child could benefit him? Does your 11 year old feel excluded often? If so, your kid needs your help reframing the situation as opposed to your support in his victimhood.

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Yo, OP!
The even was yesterday! Did your family attend?

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No. But I still have real reservations about the language used in that invitation and I would venture to say it is illegal whether or not my child attended is of no matter.

What matters is the precedent it sets for what is and isn’t allowable. Public schools have no right to alienate any of their students. Period. And when I hear ‘why can’t we have something that’s just for US” we are getting into very dangerous territory that underscores my point.

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I clutched my pearls when I read students of color. Thought I was back in the 50s. I spoke to ppl offline about it. I pray this isn’t a new trend.

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Anonymous wrote:No. But I still have real reservations about the language used in that invitation and I would venture to say it is illegal whether or not my child attended is of no matter.

What matters is the precedent it sets for what is and isn’t allowable. Public schools have no right to alienate any of their students. Period. And when I hear ‘why can’t we have something that’s just for US” we are getting into very dangerous territory that underscores my point.

What makes you think white kids would be alienated by not being allowed to attend an Empowering Males of Color seminar? If your white kid feels alienated, maybe you have some parenting to do.

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Anonymous wrote:No. But I still have real reservations about the language used in that invitation and I would venture to say it is illegal whether or not my child attended is of no matter.

What matters is the precedent it sets for what is and isn’t allowable. Public schools have no right to alienate any of their students. Period. And when I hear ‘why can’t we have something that’s just for US” we are getting into very dangerous territory that underscores my point.

Ok- well I don’t agree with your stance but your at least have standing if you attempted to attend and were denied. But you didn’t & you were not.
I’ve attended events at school for a subgroup I don’t belong to. I don’t take the name on the invitation to say ‘no whites allowed’ but rather this is the topic that will be discussed.
Unless I missed something- no one told you not to attend.

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Come on DCUM, you can do better. OP put the race ball on the tee and you people haven't yet reached 20 pages. You can do it!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's shitty that they have programs literally geared toward every student except white males. Is there a correlating general leadership program that all can participate in in addition to or instead of these programs?

Why do you think it's shitty? Do you think white males need a special program to be empowered? Do you feel your white male child does not have enough support to overcome challenges in his life? What kind of problems do you think your white male child will face getting into college, going to college, and in the workplace?

Fashionable anti-white racism and anti-white-male sexism, as displayed throughout this thread? Surrounded by propaganda celebrating that "the future is female?" Being sadled with blood guilt for the actions of long-dead white men against other long-dead people? The deck stacked against them in college admissions, hiring, and promotion as institutions are desperate to radically "diversify," even as women increasingly dominate college campuses.

The only group who has it worse now are Chinese Americans.

This person is working hard to shore up a narrative that most people by 2020 know is utterly false (that somehow racism is in the past), and in doing so, doing the work of racism.

People who actually study history know that when slavery ended, reconstruction began to make real gains for people who had been enslaved, so white Americans came up with Jim Crow, segregation, poll taxes, the Klan, etc. to enforce white supremacy.

When civil rights legislation ended de jure segregation, they invented a whole range of tactics to segregate schools. They invented redlining, racist real estate practices, racist mortgage programs focused on white suburbs which excluded black communities, racist insurance rating practices, etc. all worked to prevent Black accumulation of wealth and facilitate white wealth accumulation. This is all during my lifetime -- my elementary school was officially segregated, 20 years after Brown vs Board of Education.

And, of course, the explicitly (and acknowledged as such by some of it's architects) war on drugs that targeted Black communities while leaving white drug users and dealers undisturbed. And the mortgage practices of 2000-2009 (including "junk loans for mud people" according to one Wells Fargo executive who was caught on tape laughing about his bank's racism).

And in 2020, you can find literally hundreds of studies -- mostly paid for by police departments -- that show that the criminal justice system is systematically racist at every stage. Black people are stopped much more by police (despite research showing no difference in driving offenses), searched more when they are stopped (despite the fact that white people are slightly more likely to have drugs or guns), arrested more when they are searched (despite less contraband being found), charged with more serious crimes based on similar facts, convicted more on similar evidence, sentenced for longer on similar convictions, violated for parole more based on similar violations, etc. An excellent overview is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/#Policing

All of this starts before birth. A Black woman with a Phd is more likely to die in childbirth than a white woman who didn't finish high school. Black patients who have Black doctors have DRAMATICALLY better outcomes, and surveys of white physicians consistently find that they hold many incorrect and dangerous ideas about physiological differences between whites and Blacks.

And it continues throughout childhood. Black kids are suspended and expelled at much higher rates than white kids for the similar behaviors starting in preschool. Black kids are enormously more likely to be ARRESTED in school in places that have police in schools than white children with similar behaviors.

So make no mistake -- PP's assumed victimhood "boohoo -- it's so HARD to be a white man, even though we earn more, go to jail less, are fired less, are unemployed less, hold the overwhelming share of positions of power in government and business, and get away with crime more" is not just nonsense. It's someone DOING racism and sexism. As a middle aged white guy, I really want to say to PP -- man the hell up and stop whining. You're not a victim. Quit trying to assume victimhood and instead go try to make the world better.

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Anonymous wrote:No. But I still have real reservations about the language used in that invitation and I would venture to say it is illegal whether or not my child attended is of no matter.

What matters is the precedent it sets for what is and isn’t allowable. Public schools have no right to alienate any of their students. Period. And when I hear ‘why can’t we have something that’s just for US” we are getting into very dangerous territory that underscores my point.

A. EMOC/Reign has been part of DCPS for years.

B. The "language" is not new. You just haven't noticed it before George Floyd

C. You're not a lawyer. But the ACLU has a few. They were the ones who pushed DCPS to add the female version of EMOC called REIGN.

There's nothing wrong with the language. You just don't understand it. Nobody's civil rights are being denied. This is not a slippery slope to reverse racism.

Be like Elsa. Let it go.

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OP I think this is what is wrong with the country that in any way you would take offense to programs meant to support/encourage kids of colour. Do you not know the history of this country or the resulting current metrics for the kids targeted for this event? Hint: if you are white, your kids already have the support/encouragement. This event does not TAKE AWAY from who you are and what you have. Lose this attitude and educate yourself.