Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

Lots of talented high scoring white and black and brown kids also don't get into Yale. And some kids get into Yale and rejected from Harvard and vice versa so go figure. Did they "deserve" to get into Harvard and not Yale or vice versa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

[Anonymous]

The complaint is about whites and asian americans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

You're not particularly bright, and that's OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

So, if you know that other places use "pure meritocracy" (whatever that is), then why don't you apply to schools in those countries? It's a known fact that Ivy League schools don't accept based solely on test scores and GPA. Their process has worked for many years including for the many Asians who get accepted each year...I don't hear them complaining. It always hurts to be on the outside looking in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

There are several flaws you packed into a few sentences, but I will address only giant one:

Colleges goal in seeking racial balance in admissions when building a class has nothing to do with "a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society."

I can explain that one and point out the others if you wish.

[Anonymous]

They are not a monolith. Kids get into one and not another. How is that explained in the meritocracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

You're not particularly bright, and that's OK.

Well, I did go to Harvard...so there's that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

You're not particularly bright, and that's OK.

Well, I did go to Harvard...so there's that.

And that's the downside of affirmative action but whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

No, I do not. These schools should replace affirmative action only for blacks/Hispanics with a boost based on SES for all races. That would be infinitely more ideal.
In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a lot of very talented and high test scoring/high GPA Asian Americans who deserve to get into Ivy league schools but don't get accepted. It is what it is. It sucks for those who don't get accepted and it's probably not going to change (SCOTUS or not).

However, you're not going to change how it works because it's a zero sum game. You'd have to take something away from another racial group and that's not going to happen anytime soon. Asians are competing against themselves and the only ones complaining are the ones who didn't get accepted. It's not like there aren't any Asians getting accepted. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE SCORES AND GPAs!!!

Also, if they made it harder for URMs to get accepted, do you really think they'd make room for more Asians? If you think that, then you don't know how society works.

I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

In the meantime, I will fight to end racial discrimination against Asian Americans.

So you consider not letting ALL Asian Americans who meet the minimum quantitative threshold (scores/GPA) to get into their college of choice to be racial discrimination? You're just throwing away all of the other criteria that factor into an admissions decision?

No, I do not. These schools should replace affirmative action only for blacks/Hispanics with a boost based on SES for all races. That would be infinitely more ideal.

[Anonymous]

But are the whites and Asians more deserving? Let’s say I am white or Asian live in a two million dollar house in McLean, son of two doctors, ACT and SAT tutors, college essay writing coach vs public housing in Prince George, mom on welfare no dad.

How is it fair to rate them equally?

[Anonymous]

what do you mean rate them equally? the same or similar achievement from the more disadvantaged student is more impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is what it is. The US finds social engineering acceptable in certain processes whereas many other western countries or developed Asian countries use pure meritocracy. Both have its pros and cons. I guess time will tell which one is a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society.

There are several flaws you packed into a few sentences, but I will address only giant one:

Colleges goal in seeking racial balance in admissions when building a class has nothing to do with "a better system for achieving a ‘desirable’ society."

I can explain that one and point out the others if you wish.

sure, please do.
I'm also interested in the other flaws too.