Is GAL just letting anyone in? What ECNL should have done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are under the impression that U-little scores and rankings mean something. It doesn't. Nothing matters until HS. Stick around, you will see.

2004s are sophomores in HS....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are under the impression that U-little scores and rankings mean something. It doesn't. Nothing matters until HS. Stick around, you will see.

2004s are sophomores in HS....

Was meant to be a stand alone post. Wasn't referring to the 04 age group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

The premise is that by virtue of being in ECNL would indicate that an ECNL player is automatically better than a non-ECNL player.

Based on dilution, roster sizes and performance, that assumption is just not true. The gap from the top 4 players on a ECNL team compared to the bottom 4 on the same team is large. The bottom 4 kids on any local ECNL team could easily be replaced by current non-ECNL players.

The starting 11 on ECNL are better but the drop off with the bench players becomes staggering. But, they are on the team because they can afford it but it doesn’t mean they are better than the top 4-5 kids on a top EDP team. Not by a long shot.

Dilution doesn’t present itself with the starting roster but with the depth and quality of the bench. And the bench is still the team, still wears the patch and still believes they are superior.

And then when you factor the mediocre league performance of our region in ECNL league play there just isn’t much special. The ECNL team is simply that clubs A team just like every club has an A team. Two years ago Loudoun ECNL teams were simply Red. You give those kids a new patch and they suddenly became better at soccer?

BRYC was just a color two years ago too, now they get a patch and they are better?

VDA was was DA and the new patch somehow made them better?

FCV was ECNL and now they are worse?

It is just a patch and a patch that has never been easier to get now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last place but they hey, they are in ECNL.

That every age group last place is occupied by a NoVA team is telling.

You can keep throwing that up here, and people might start to believe it, but the numbers don't lie.
Clearly, you know nothing about probability and statistics. There are 24 NoVA teams out of 66 MA ECNL teams. NoVA teams have their expected share of first and last place teams and are decidedly average as a whole. There is one national championship contender out of the entire MA lot, and that team is in NoVA.

Last place representation in every age group does matter especially in the context of so many other teams below the middle of the pack, even if just by tick.

There are few ECNL regions with a cluster of teams like NoVA has and our region representing last place in every age group is no anomaly considering the dilution. So talk all you want about the patch and superiority of ECNL girls over other girls in “lesser” leagues and our performance in conference demonstrates that many of the girls are simply not elite, not extraordinary and are in fact simply good players.

This isn’t the kids fault, the rosters need to be filled and clubs need paying customers and the truth is many colleges simply need “good” players. So, congrats I guess, but don’t tell me that your kid is better than mine because of a patch.

Because a parent is the best judge of their child’s talent. Just post up your club and age group so objective minds can make that assessment. It’s not that difficult. We won’t know who YOU are. Right now, you are lashing out with a chip on your shoulder, but there’s nothing backing up your case. Surely, once you post the club and age group, we’ll see the brilliance of your team and how it’s top players could easily displace our last place teams’ players. We are waiting.

Tell us your kids team. My guess is you’re one of the last place teams. At least you have a patch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

The premise is that by virtue of being in ECNL would indicate that an ECNL player is automatically better than a non-ECNL player.

Based on dilution, roster sizes and performance, that assumption is just not true. The gap from the top 4 players on a ECNL team compared to the bottom 4 on the same team is large. The bottom 4 kids on any local ECNL team could easily be replaced by current non-ECNL players.

The starting 11 on ECNL are better but the drop off with the bench players becomes staggering. But, they are on the team because they can afford it but it doesn’t mean they are better than the top 4-5 kids on a top EDP team. Not by a long shot.

Dilution doesn’t present itself with the starting roster but with the depth and quality of the bench. And the bench is still the team, still wears the patch and still believes they are superior.

And then when you factor the mediocre league performance of our region in ECNL league play there just isn’t much special. The ECNL team is simply that clubs A team just like every club has an A team. Two years ago Loudoun ECNL teams were simply Red. You give those kids a new patch and they suddenly became better at soccer?

BRYC was just a color two years ago too, now they get a patch and they are better?

VDA was was DA and the new patch somehow made them better?

FCV was ECNL and now they are worse?

It is just a patch and a patch that has never been easier to get now.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. How did you manage to draw that premise when the quoted post clearly says otherwise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

15 teams out of 24 have losing records. That is over half of our teams. That is not balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last place but they hey, they are in ECNL.

That every age group last place is occupied by a NoVA team is telling.

You can keep throwing that up here, and people might start to believe it, but the numbers don't lie.
Clearly, you know nothing about probability and statistics. There are 24 NoVA teams out of 66 MA ECNL teams. NoVA teams have their expected share of first and last place teams and are decidedly average as a whole. There is one national championship contender out of the entire MA lot, and that team is in NoVA.

Last place representation in every age group does matter especially in the context of so many other teams below the middle of the pack, even if just by tick.

There are few ECNL regions with a cluster of teams like NoVA has and our region representing last place in every age group is no anomaly considering the dilution. So talk all you want about the patch and superiority of ECNL girls over other girls in “lesser” leagues and our performance in conference demonstrates that many of the girls are simply not elite, not extraordinary and are in fact simply good players.

This isn’t the kids fault, the rosters need to be filled and clubs need paying customers and the truth is many colleges simply need “good” players. So, congrats I guess, but don’t tell me that your kid is better than mine because of a patch.

Because a parent is the best judge of their child’s talent. Just post up your club and age group so objective minds can make that assessment. It’s not that difficult. We won’t know who YOU are. Right now, you are lashing out with a chip on your shoulder, but there’s nothing backing up your case. Surely, once you post the club and age group, we’ll see the brilliance of your team and how it’s top players could easily displace our last place teams’ players. We are waiting.

You judged my kid without ever seeing the kid play. What makes you such a good judge of talent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

The premise is that by virtue of being in ECNL would indicate that an ECNL player is automatically better than a non-ECNL player.

Based on dilution, roster sizes and performance, that assumption is just not true. The gap from the top 4 players on a ECNL team compared to the bottom 4 on the same team is large. The bottom 4 kids on any local ECNL team could easily be replaced by current non-ECNL players.

The starting 11 on ECNL are better but the drop off with the bench players becomes staggering. But, they are on the team because they can afford it but it doesn’t mean they are better than the top 4-5 kids on a top EDP team. Not by a long shot.

Dilution doesn’t present itself with the starting roster but with the depth and quality of the bench. And the bench is still the team, still wears the patch and still believes they are superior.

And then when you factor the mediocre league performance of our region in ECNL league play there just isn’t much special. The ECNL team is simply that clubs A team just like every club has an A team. Two years ago Loudoun ECNL teams were simply Red. You give those kids a new patch and they suddenly became better at soccer?

BRYC was just a color two years ago too, now they get a patch and they are better?

VDA was was DA and the new patch somehow made them better?

FCV was ECNL and now they are worse?

It is just a patch and a patch that has never been easier to get now.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. How did you manage to draw that premise when the quoted post clearly says otherwise?

The premise was stated several pages ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

15 teams out of 24 have losing records. That is over half of our teams. That is not balance.

The FACT is that those teams in last place are losing against competitive teams most from outside the DMV area. While your non-ECNL team is winning against an average local Team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

15 teams out of 24 have losing records. That is over half of our teams. That is not balance.

The FACT is that those teams in last place are losing against competitive teams most from outside the DMV area. While your non-ECNL team is winning against an average local Team.

The combined goal differential for those last place teams is -221. Tell me more how they would roll in EDP, CCL or any other regional league. They are bad teams and the patch doesn’t make a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

15 teams out of 24 have losing records. That is over half of our teams. That is not balance.

The FACT is that those teams in last place are losing against competitive teams most from outside the DMV area. While your non-ECNL team is winning against an average local Team.

The combined goal differential for those last place teams is -221. Tell me more how they would roll in EDP, CCL or any other regional league. They are bad teams and the patch doesn’t make a difference.

They would be in 1st place. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of last place teams is almost completely balanced by the number of first place teams in NoVA. If anything, the distribution is bathtub shaped with a more than normal number of first and last place teams. Those first and last place teams are distributed across all age groups too, so there are no generalizations to be made about age groups. It stands to reason that the area is diluted in general, but that would also include some of the NoVA EDP teams. Regardless, the argument that NoVA ECNL teams in MA are weak cannot be made based on this years standings. I am not about to do this, but a better indicator of ECNL vs EDP strength might come from stacking up the head to head records of NoVA ECNL clubs against EDP clubs. I suspect you would find that ECNL teams own a distinct advantage and that most people would agree. On an individual player level, there are obviously going to be EDP players who could easily play on NoVA ECNL teams but the average skill level is lower.

15 teams out of 24 have losing records. That is over half of our teams. That is not balance.

The FACT is that those teams in last place are losing against competitive teams most from outside the DMV area. While your non-ECNL team is winning against an average local Team.

The combined goal differential for those last place teams is -221. Tell me more how they would roll in EDP, CCL or any other regional league. They are bad teams and the patch doesn’t make a difference.

They would be in 1st place. Prove me wrong.

Loudoun 02 didn’t win a game at the Bethesda Cup against non-ECNL competition:

https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2869759


Loudoun 03 can’t win against non-ECNL teams in showcases.
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2142014

05 BRYC didn’t win a game against non-ECNL competition in the 2018 Bethesda Cup and only won games against non-ECNL in the second bracket at the 2018 Discovery cup:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2869759

06 McLean cleaned up at the August cup against team ranked 34th to 59th but lost every game against non-ECNL competition in last years Jeff Cup, and they went 2-1 against non-ECNL competition for a combined 6-4 non-ECNL record, four of the wins against 34th and lower ranked teams:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=2156396

07 BRYC is ranked 25th in the State. There are only 5 ECNL teams in the state.
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/team.html?teamId=3188340

[Anonymous]

POSTER:
My daughter could easily make ECNL
You daughter is not special because of her patch
ECNL sucks. Stay local and play CCL
You all are idiots for over paying
EDP is better than ECNL

ME:
Not true. Prove me wrong

POSTER:
Crickets

[Anonymous]

13 ECNL winner - Loudoun
14 ECNL winner - VDA
15 ECNL Winner - SC United
16 ECNL Winner - Richmond
17 ECNL Winner - BRYC
19 ECNL Winner - Mclean

4 of the 6 conference winners are NoVa teams. The talent is in the area. It is spread around different clubs in different age groups. To say Northern VA clubs are the weakest in the MA conference is False

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:POSTER:
My daughter could easily make ECNL
You daughter is not special because of her patch
ECNL sucks. Stay local and play CCL
You all are idiots for over paying
EDP is better than ECNL

ME:
Not true. Prove me wrong

POSTER:
Crickets

You need to tell me your kids team so I can show up, have my kid try out and make the team.


Crickets